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Tim
If you haven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the dizzy
amd mount so you can put it together as you got it.
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta <wpta@autox.=
team.net>
wrote:
> I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And t=
hen place
> the distributor back into the engine.
>
> JVV
>
>
>
> *From:* Wpta <wpta-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Gary Fredo via
> Wpta
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM
> *To:* WPTA <wpta@autox.team.net>; Tim Prell <tjprell@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install
>
>
>
> From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it shoul=
d
> slide right in. It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out of =
a
> Spitfire engine. Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory which isn't
> too good. Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was moved or loosene=
d
> at the distributor". Actually you spun the camshaft and the distributor
> when you spun the crankshaft. I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the
> bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you may have to spin
> the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up. That's about all =
I
> can think of right now.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <
> wpta@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this
> spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and
> support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in
> place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing
> bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaf=
t
> assembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as
> expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back in=
to
> place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted=
.
>
> I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second
> opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which mu=
st
> be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any
> ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely
> slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the
> distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers an=
d
> main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.
>
>
>
> thanks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).
>
>
>
> Tim
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you haven't already done so, draw a line wi=
th a marker down the=C2=A0dizzy amd mount so you can put it together as you=
got it.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryv=
vtr4a--- via Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@autox.team.net";>wpta@autox.tea=
m.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div class=3D"msg-329902312110424968"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"ove=
rflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-329902312110424968WordSection1"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump =
will then fit. And then place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-botto=
m:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta=
-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">wpta-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4=
, 2023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>>; Tim Prell <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tjprell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tjprell@gmail.com</a>><br><b>=
Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if">From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it sho=
uld slide right in.=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've had an o=
il pump out of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going b=
y memory which isn't too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that &=
quot;nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor".=C2=A0 Actually=
you spun the camshaft and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=
=A0 I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is s=
lightly off center so you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees t=
o get them to line up.=C2=A0 That's about all I can think of right now.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif">Hope that helps.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Gary=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_-329902312110424968ydp95f63d8eyahoo_quot=
ed_8635195469"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tuesday, July 4=
, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">wpta@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_-329902312110424968ydp95f63d8eyiv458=
5337022"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14p=
t;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">I started the pro=
cess of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this spring and after en=
couragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and support forum, also tri=
ed replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for better or worse).=
In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I removed the oil pump=
(cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). Now that all the w=
ork is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil pump inner rotor =
and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits into its slot but =
stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)=
">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second op=
ening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must b=
e blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any idea=
s on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely sli=
de into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distri=
butor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main p=
lus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"inheri=
t",serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"inher=
it",serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">thanks for feedback (at least serious feed=
back :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:rgb(5,5,=
5)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:rgb(5,5=
,5)">Tim<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
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:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">________________________________=
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