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FWIW, when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I =
think in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there. =
They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in the =
corner, (perhaps upstairs?). There were several people working the =
room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had with =
them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the spot for =
my 1961 TR3A. It arrived some weeks later, and was quite accurate as to =
dispatch dates, numbers, etc. I was quite pleased with it. Just my =
experience - YMMV of course.
Dennis
> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote:
>=20
> ..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, =
never know
>=20
> ptegler
>=20
> On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney wrote:
>> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who =
used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and =
although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that =
work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest =
doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not =
be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no =
idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still =
incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either =
a =E2=80=9Cringer=E2=80=9D or the seller is making a claim that cannot =
be substantiated.
>>=20
>> Jonmac
>>=20
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest =
intentions.
>>=20
>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, ptegler@verizon.net =
>>=20
>>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance =
recieve a cert with invalid info.
>>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a =
cert for it!
>>> rubbish.
>>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a =
particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages =
of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for =
the $$
>>>=20
>>> ptegler
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk =
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net =
>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
>>>=20
>>> I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the =
above car. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was =
built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard =
Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. =
Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified =
very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor =
show car=E2=80=99 and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when =
interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99s also worth =
mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for =
exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious =
as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my =
book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might =
have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool =
stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with =
documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that =
claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than =
sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that =
could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what =
they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
>>>=20
>>> Jonmac=20
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">FWIW,=
when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I think =
in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there. =
They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in =
the corner, (perhaps upstairs?). There were several people working =
the room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had =
with them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the =
spot for my 1961 TR3A. It arrived some weeks later, and was quite =
accurate as to dispatch dates, numbers, etc. I was quite pleased =
with it. Just my experience - YMMV of course.<div =
class=3D"">Dennis<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar =
15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ptegler@verizon.net"; class=3D"">ptegler@verizon.net</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
=20
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
=20
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"">..my previous synopsis was the early/mid =
2000s. Might be better
now, never know</p><p class=3D"">ptegler<br class=3D"">
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney
wrote:<br class=3D"">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:4B02E244-E7CD-4DB9-8168-32EAD9694C8A@Ukpips.org.uk" =
class=3D"">
<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who
used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates
and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who
did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even
the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or
the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some
twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may
have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the
early TR5 being offered for sale is either a =E2=80=9Cringer=E2=80=9D=
or the
seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Jonmac<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The
only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a href=3D"mailto:ptegler@verizon.net"=
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"">ptegler@verizon.net</a>
wrote:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D"">I have little to
no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve
a cert with invalid info.<br class=3D"">
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they
gave him a cert for it!
<div class=3D"">rubbish.</div>
<div class=3D"">Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at =
one time,
or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now
on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on
the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">ptegler<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D"">
From: John Macartney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk"; moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
class=3D"">John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk</a>><br class=3D"">
To: Greg Lemon <<a href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com"=
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"">grglmn@gmail.com</a>><br =
class=3D"">
Cc: Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
class=3D"">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D"">
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br class=3D"">
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in
USA?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<div id=3D"yiv5493107758" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at =
the Heritage
Certificate for the above car. =46rom the info =
on
the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built =
for a
named customer in Denmark and supplied under
Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I
worked within for several years. Cars built for
display at any international motor show were
identified very clearly on the build record and
sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 =
and this would
have been picked up by BMIHT staff when
interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99=
s also
worth mentioning the company would never have
used a customer car for exhibition display at
any show such as those which were as prestigious
as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York.
A show car? Not in my book, though the person
whose name appears on the BMIHT document might
have been in England FOR the show but his car on
the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way
- unless someone can come up with documentation
to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it =
with that
claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone
with more money than sense will swallow the bait
and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could
well be a clone. Too often in life, things are
not always what they seem and in my view this
car fits that category.
<div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Jonmac
<div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
</div>
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kquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
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