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Re: [TR] A flood of flukes

To: "Wbeech@flash.net" <wbeech@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes
From: James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:47:16 -0400
Cc: triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
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Terry:
Great story but how nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have helpful a=
dvice from the list while doing it.  I second the at least you got a nice 4 h=
our drive. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida heat.  Thought i=
t was Pertronix or something g electrical.  Turns out fuel starvation.  So n=
ow I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full but gas n=
ot getting to carbs when hot.   Vapor lock??  That=E2=80=99s my project for t=
his weekend. =20
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
60 TR3
61TR3
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8. Hoping deal comes through for this one to complete the family=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
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> Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ign=
ition, just call me an old pointy head.=20
> Bill
> tS30800L
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> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
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> On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:
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> My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better pa=
rt of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in t=
he TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly t=
wo minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, flutte=
ring.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. =20
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> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testi=
ng.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pe=
rtronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm d=
one with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the k=
ey on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. =20
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> Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture o=
ne last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or=
 grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, s=
o I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two.=20
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> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both=
 the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got unde=
r the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got t=
he plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded h=
ousing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one thr=
eaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators fr=
om one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. =20
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> Gadfrey. =20
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> Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some ra=
diator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At lea=
st getting at the water pump is going to be easier. =20
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> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
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> New Hampshire
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Terry:<div>Great story but how nice we can w=
ork and diagnose our cars and have helpful advice from the list while doing i=
t. &nbsp;I second the at least you got a nice 4 hour drive. My 3a is giving u=
p on me after 4 miles I florida heat. &nbsp;Thought it was Pertronix or some=
thing g electrical. &nbsp;Turns out fuel starvation. &nbsp;So now I am goi g=
 to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full but gas not getting t=
o carbs when hot. &nbsp; Vapor lock?? &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s my project for th=
is weekend. &nbsp;</div><div>Jim Henningsen</div><div>Ocala FL</div><div>60 T=
R3</div><div>61TR3</div><div>62 TR4</div><div>75 TR6</div><div>81 TR8. Hopin=
g deal comes through for this one to complete the family&nbsp;<br><br><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br>On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:30 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbee=
ch@flash.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta h=
ttp-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Ouch, at l=
east you had a nice 4+ hour drive. &nbsp; Not a fan of electronic ignition, j=
ust call me an old pointy head.&nbsp;<div>Bill</div><div>tS30800L<br><br><di=
v id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">

    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
<p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
 rgb(51, 51, 51);">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sun=
day, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour a=
imless drive in the TR3.&nbsp; I should say four hours and twenty-eight minu=
tes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.&nbsp; No c=
oughing, stumbling, fluttering.&nbsp; Just total power one minute, complete s=
hutdown the next.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: he=
lvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);=
">Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testi=
ng.&nbsp; No spark out of the plugs.&nbsp; Good spark out of the coil.&nbsp;=
 Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.=
&nbsp; I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.&nbsp; I very likely kille=
d the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number one.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51)=
;">Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture=
 one last time, I noticed it was overheating.&nbsp; There are no knocks, rat=
tles or grindings going on.&nbsp; Oil pressure is steady and good.&nbsp; Tes=
ted this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number two.&nbsp; </p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helve=
tica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">H=
appen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both th=
e thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.&nbsp;&nbsp; I g=
ot under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.=
&nbsp; Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but t=
he threaded housing came out with it.&nbsp; Apparently it's like a plug with=
in a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&nbsp; This is one o=
f the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.&nbsp; <br></p=
><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Gadfrey.&nbsp; <br></p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(5=
1, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Spent today pulling the valence and t=
he radiator.&nbsp; I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug hous=
ing brazed in instead of soldered.&nbsp; At least getting at the water pump i=
s going to be easier.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 5=
1);">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hamp=
shire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-=
serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p>
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