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Re: [TR] A flood of flukes

To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes
From: "Wbeech@flash.net" <wbeech@flash.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:30:16 -0500
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Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignit=
ion, just call me an old pointy head.=20
Bill
tS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part=
 of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the=
 TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two=
 minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, flutteri=
ng.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. =20



Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing=
.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pert=
ronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm don=
e with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key=
 on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. =20



Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture on=
e last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or g=
rindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I=
've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two.=20



Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both t=
he thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under t=
he car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the p=
lug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded hous=
ing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one thread=
ed, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from o=
ne of the Big 3. Fluke number three. =20



Gadfrey. =20



Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radi=
ator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least=
 getting at the water pump is going to be easier. =20



Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire





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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive=
. &nbsp; Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head.&=
nbsp;<div>Bill</div><div>tS30800L<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 25, 2019, a=
t 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@comcast.net";>terryrs@co=
mcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
<p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color:=
 rgb(51, 51, 51);">My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sun=
day, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour a=
imless drive in the TR3.&nbsp; I should say four hours and twenty-eight minu=
tes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.&nbsp; No c=
oughing, stumbling, fluttering.&nbsp; Just total power one minute, complete s=
hutdown the next.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: he=
lvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);=
">Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testi=
ng.&nbsp; No spark out of the plugs.&nbsp; Good spark out of the coil.&nbsp;=
 Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.=
&nbsp; I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.&nbsp; I very likely kille=
d the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number one.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: h=
elvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font=
-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51)=
;">Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture=
 one last time, I noticed it was overheating.&nbsp; There are no knocks, rat=
tles or grindings going on.&nbsp; Oil pressure is steady and good.&nbsp; Tes=
ted this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.&nbsp;=
 Fluke number two.&nbsp; </p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helve=
tica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">H=
appen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both th=
e thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.&nbsp;&nbsp; I g=
ot under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.=
&nbsp; Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but t=
he threaded housing came out with it.&nbsp; Apparently it's like a plug with=
in a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.&nbsp; This is one o=
f the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.&nbsp; <br></p=
><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color=
: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Gadfrey.&nbsp; <br></p><p sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(5=
1, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,ari=
al,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Spent today pulling the valence and t=
he radiator.&nbsp; I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug hous=
ing brazed in instead of soldered.&nbsp; At least getting at the water pump i=
s going to be easier.&nbsp; <br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 5=
1);">Terry Smith, '59 TR3A&nbsp; TS 58667<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">New Hamp=
shire<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-=
serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p>
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