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Re: [TR] K & N air filters

To: "spook01@comcast.net" <spook01@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] K & N air filters
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:10:25 -0700
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On 5/19/12 4:10 AM, spook01@comcast.net wrote:
This "k&n won't filter anything" is a myth, unsupported by any objective scientific study.
I have a friend who shipped his Land Rover to South Africa for the Land Rover 50th anniversary festivities. He has about 40 or 5 months of Land Rover club travels throughout South Africa with various Land Rovers planned out. In preparation he had his engine completely rebuilt by a well know reputable Land Rover engine specialist. To which he added a fresh K&N filter. There are parts of the South African bush where the dust kicked up during travel included diamond dust. About half way through his travels he had to stop for an engine replacement because his truck did not have enough compression to run. Diamond dust got through the K&N filter and destroyed the engine's rings & badly scored the cylinder walls. ALL the locals used the stock LR oil bath air filters without problem. My friend completed the trip with a stock Land Rover oil bath air filter After being side lined a week because of a "myth".

The expedition travel style 4X4 crowd that uses a vehicle for long off road miles in dusty situations do not use K&N filters. Only newbies and people who venture off road on relatively rare occasions.
Oil bath filters are great if they are serviced and you can put up with the mess.
Service intervals depends upon use in heavy dust but is usually about he same as with a paper filter. It consists of pouring out the old oil, wiping the inside of the reservoir clean and refilling to the line with either fresh oil or used engine oil that has been run through a paper filter. Having lived with one for about 20 years, it is not any messier than changing the oil & oil filter yourself. With a cartridge oil filter usually less messier.
Since most of us aren't driving earthmovers, I'm pretty certain using a spinning disc is overkill.
Yes it is overkill on a street vehicle unless you are running a commercial vehicle and have to figure engine maintenance into your profit & loss columns. Most commercial long range trucks run a 2 stage filter system on the road to squeeze every mile out between engine rebuilds.

But the original post was about a K&N filter used off road in dusty situations. Under those situations a paper filter can become clogged in a day or two unless there is an effective prefilter in front. a two stage filter system is not overkill for off road travel in dusty trail situations.

With 34 years experience with long range travel off road in a Land Rover I thought I would throw in my two cents.

Teriann

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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] K & N air filters
Date: Fri, May 18, 2012 19:09


On 5/18/12 7:16 AM, Geo Hahn wrote:

> Not for a TR... I prefer to not use them on those engines but for my rear > engine vehicle that sees a lot of dusty mountain roads I thought it might
> make good sense.
>
Say what????????????

For an off road vehicle your #1 choice should be an oil bath filter.

Your #2 choice should be a spinning prefilter in front of a paper filter (think Donaldson earth mover 2 stage filter systems)
Your #3 choice a box of paper filters
Your last choice before no filter would be an oiled foam filter such as a K&N. A k&N will filter out low flying birds, rocks, gum wrappers, small children, but not fine dust. Them folks who get paid to race off road with K&N filters completely rebuild the engine after each race. Breaths really well but foam filters do not filter out fine dust. You can use one as a first stage to a 2 stage filter system but they are not as good as the spinner 2 stage systems.

Teriann
TR3 with itg oiled foam filter
Land Rover with Donaldson 2 stage earth mover type filter system
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