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The 302 rotating assembly can be fitted to a 5 bolt 289 block, enabling =
the stock top loader to be used if desired.
I=E2=80=99m unsure about a roller cam but hydraulic lifter and solid =
lifter cams should=E2=80=99t be a problem.
I=E2=80=99m running a 302 rotating assembly paired to the Holman Moody =
hydraulic lifter version of the 289 HIPO cam with big valve
Aluminum heads and CAT headers.
The stock toploader was kept although I=E2=80=99m considering the =
addition of a 5 speed.
This isn=E2=80=99t as radical a setup as a roller cam provides but is a =
good option for a more warm than hot setup.
Allan Ballard
-Atlanta
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> The roller cam 302 is a nice upgrade. Others who have done the swap =
can better advise but the bellhousing you now have is a 5 bolt and the =
302 bellhousing is a 6 bolt. The bolt pattern on the Toploader 4 speed =
is the older style. I'm not 100% sure but some bellhousings I believe =
have both transmission bolt patterns. Also, as I recall there was a =
(likely rare) cast iron bellhousing that have both 5 and 6 bolt block =
arrangement. I believe certain scatter shields had that too. You will =
need the 302 flywheel and there are different teeth counts on the =
flywheel. So, how that all mates up with the starter I do not know. As =
I said, others have done the swap and can best advise. I just know what =
the potential issues are..., not how to solve them.
>=20
> Keep us posted on the project. It can be inspirational (says the guy =
whose Tiger has been on jackstands for almost 22 years now). And yes, I =
can understand how the interruptions happen and the desire to not have =
multiple cars disassembled and scattered about. All the best.
>=20
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> On 12/3/2021 6:14 PM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
>> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger =
for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems =
with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The =
last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, =
mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I =
plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness =
and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color =
(Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull =
the engine and transmission.=20
>> First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My =
car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade =
of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted =
black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do =
it right.
>> Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the =
top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are =
way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I =
pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have =
a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of =
the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear =
frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front =
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine =
to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best =
way, and why?
>> Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to =
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a =
rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have =
fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a =
roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts =
availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt =
the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but =
newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>>=20
>> Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>>=20
>> Steve
>>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">The =
302 rotating assembly can be fitted to a 5 bolt 289 block, enabling the =
stock top loader to be used if desired.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m unsure about a roller cam =
but hydraulic lifter and solid lifter cams should=E2=80=99t be a =
problem.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=
=99m running a 302 rotating assembly paired to the Holman Moody =
hydraulic lifter version of the 289 HIPO cam with big valve</div><div =
class=3D"">Aluminum heads and CAT headers.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The stock toploader was kept although =
I=E2=80=99m considering the addition of a 5 speed.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This isn=E2=80=99t as =
radical a setup as a roller cam provides but is a good option for a more =
warm than hot setup.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Allan Ballard</div><div class=3D"">-Atlanta</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Tom Witt via =
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D"">The roller cam 302 is a nice upgrade. Others who have =
done the swap can better advise but the bellhousing you now have is a 5 =
bolt and the 302 bellhousing is a 6 bolt. The bolt pattern on the =
Toploader 4 speed is the older style. I'm not 100% sure but some =
bellhousings I believe have both transmission bolt patterns. Also, =
as I recall there was a (likely rare) cast iron bellhousing that have =
both 5 and 6 bolt block arrangement. I believe certain scatter shields =
had that too. You will need the 302 flywheel and there are different =
teeth counts on the flywheel. So, how that all mates up with the starter =
I do not know. As I said, others have done the swap and can best =
advise. I just know what the potential issues are..., not how to solve =
them.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Keep =
us posted on the project. It can be inspirational (says the guy whose =
Tiger has been on jackstands for almost 22 years now). And yes, I can =
understand how the interruptions happen and the desire to not have =
multiple cars disassembled and scattered about. All the best.<br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">On 12/3/2021 6:14 PM, steve wick via Tigers =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:SA1PR06MB83561A6E725A84E67133CDC9D86B9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.=
prod.outlook.com" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
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letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my =
Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant =
problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several =
times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles =
per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability =
issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring =
harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original =
paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was =
going to pull the engine and transmission. </div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>First =
question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was =
completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red =
that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I =
figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it =
right.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Second question. I've heard =
of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just =
me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting =
the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a =
good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position =
the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame =
under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the =
whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or =
remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and =
pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Last =
question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" =
them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car =
like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, =
without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam =
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, =
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of =
the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff =
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?</div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Thanks guys. Looking forward to =
everyone's input and opinion.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Steve</div><br =
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