Re: [Tigers] PCV summary

[Will Seay via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>]

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Ron,
My IA, 382001570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.  I'm the
original owner and I know it came that way.  That style of PCV valve must
have been introduced before the MKII and the 289.  I suspect that it
appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced.  My
engine is a numbers-matching B19KC.

Will - 382001570
Tigers@embarqmail.com


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t>
wrote:

> *Parts List 6601131            Mk I*
>
> 6100538                C3DE-6A664-A                   Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
>
> 6100669                97331-S                                Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose
>
> 6100215                C3TZ-6A666-A                    Valve assembly =E2=
=80=93 *this
> is the early style PCV valve with threads*
>
> 6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93
> this is the brass part
>
> 6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =E2=
=80=93
> this is the rubber grommet in the valve cover
>
>
>
> *Parts List 6601334            Mk II*
>
> 6100979                C3AZ-6A664-A                   Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
>
> 6100669                97331-S                                Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose
>
> 6100825                C5AZ-6A666-A                   Valve assembly =E2=
=80=93 *this
> is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting*
>
> 6100667                378754                                  Adaptor =
=E2=80=93
> this is the brass part *=E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve with hose fit=
ting*
>
> 6100668                378766-S                              Adaptor =E2=
=80=93
> this is the rubber grommet
>
>
>
> *There are some problems with these Ford part numbers.*
>
> C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long accordi=
ng to the Ford
> Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV system hose
>
> C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose wou=
ld be horrible
> for this short distance
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers for either hose.
>
> The PCV hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends.
> This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose.
>
> *See pcv hose picture* from Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead.           *See picture from Terry
> Packer with Weatherhead Logo*
>
>
>
> Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 *see picture from David Fr=
anchi* =E2=80=93
> also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark Plug stamped on it
>
>
>
> Derek Daily has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor
> part.  This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.
>
>
>
> I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor part.
> This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this part for the Tiger
> engine build and they changed to the later style PCV valve system only
> after using up the brass adaptor parts.   Since the Mk II Parts List is
> vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows a cleaning procedure
> for the PCV valve.    I can see how anyone not an original owner could be
> confused and purchase the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.
>
> I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts List is d=
ue to
> Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and the reassignment=
 of
> personnel to other programs.   Well, great discussion, I think we all
> learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there are more questions too.
>
> Thanks to all for their input.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Ron=
,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">My IA, 382001=
570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting.=C2=A0 I&#39;m the original =
owner and I know it came that way.=C2=A0 That style of PCV valve must have =
been introduced before the MKII and the 289.=C2=A0 I suspect that it appear=
ed at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced.=C2=A0 My en=
gine is a numbers-matching B19KC.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatu=
re" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <b=
r><a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embarqmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Tigers@embarqm=
ail.com</a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser=
 via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-6668489733730617411WordSectio=
n1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Parts List 6601131=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mk I<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">6100538=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C3DE-6A664-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hose =E2=80=93 PCV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">610=
0669=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 97331-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100215=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 C3TZ-6A666-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 <b>this is the early style PCV valve with threads</b><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100667=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378754=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the brass part<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100668=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378766-S=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet in the v=
alve cover<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Parts List 6601334=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mk II<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">6100979=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C3AZ-6A664-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Hose =E2=80=93 PCV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">610066=
9=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 97331-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Clips =E2=
=80=93 Hose <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100825=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 C5AZ-6A666-A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Valve assembly =E2=80=93 <=
b>this is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting<u></u><u></u></b></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">6100667=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378754=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the brass part <b>=E2=
=80=93 not correct for PCV valve with hose fitting<u></u><u></u></b></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">6100668=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 378766-S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>There are some=
 problems with these Ford part numbers.<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long =
according to the Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV sys=
tem hose<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=
=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose would be horrible for this sho=
rt distance<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers =
for either hose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The PCV hose avail=
able today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This hose =
can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>See pcv hose picture</b> from Ron Fraser<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <b>See picture from Terry Packer with Weatherhe=
ad Logo</b><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 <b>s=
ee picture from David Franchi</b> =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve co=
uld have AC Spark Plug stamped on it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Derek Daily has stated the=
 his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor part.=C2=A0 This seems to sup=
port that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text=
-indent:0.5in">I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adap=
tor part.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this=
 part for the Tiger engine build and they changed to the later style PCV va=
lve system only after using up the brass adaptor parts.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since t=
he Mk II Parts List is vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows =
a cleaning procedure for the PCV valve.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I can see how any=
one not an original owner could be confused and purchase the brass adaptor =
thinking it was correct.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"t=
ext-indent:0.5in">I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the=
 Parts List is due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group =
and the reassignment of personnel to other programs.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Well, grea=
t discussion, I think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there a=
re more questions too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to al=
l for their input.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div>_____________=
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