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Thank you Will
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Your B19KC engine is from the Oct 1965 build.
This seems to confirm that Ford changed the Tiger engines to the updated =
PCV system for the Ford 1966 model year.
=20
There will always be some confusion here because the Sunbeam =
documentation does not seem to be keeping up with the engines =
configuration changes.
=20
Well, nothing like a good mystery
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20
From: Will Seay <Tigers@embarqmail.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:51 PM
To: Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
Cc: Tiger Server <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] PCV summary
=20
Ron,
My IA, 382001570, came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting. I'm the =
original owner and I know it came that way. That style of PCV valve =
must have been introduced before the MKII and the 289. I suspect that =
it appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was introduced. =
My engine is a numbers-matching B19KC.
=20
Will - 382001570=20
=20
=20
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers =
Parts List 6601131 Mk I
6100538 C3DE-6A664-A Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
6100669 97331-S Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose=20
6100215 C3TZ-6A666-A Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 this is the early style PCV valve with threads
6100667 378754 Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part
6100668 378766-S Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet in the valve cover
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Parts List 6601334 Mk II
6100979 C3AZ-6A664-A Hose =E2=80=93 PCV
6100669 97331-S Clips =
=E2=80=93 Hose=20
6100825 C5AZ-6A666-A Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 this is the later style PCV valve with hose fitting
6100667 378754 Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part =E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve =
with hose fitting
6100668 378766-S Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the rubber grommet
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There are some problems with these Ford part numbers.
C3DE-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long =
according to the Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV =
system hose
C3AZ-6A664-A is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose =
would be horrible for this short distance
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I don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers for either hose.
The PCV hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle bends. =
This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style hose. =20
See pcv hose picture from Ron Fraser
=20
Brass adaptor was made by Weatherhead. See picture from Terry =
Packer with Weatherhead Logo
=20
Correct brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 see picture from David =
Franchi =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark Plug =
stamped on it
=20
Derek Daily has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor =
part. This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass Adaptor.
=20
I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor part. =
This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this part for the Tiger =
engine build and they changed to the later style PCV valve system only =
after using up the brass adaptor parts. Since the Mk II Parts List is =
vague about this and the Mk II Service Manual shows a cleaning procedure =
for the PCV valve. I can see how anyone not an original owner could =
be confused and purchase the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.
I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts List is =
due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and the =
reassignment of personnel to other programs. Well, great discussion, I =
think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there are more =
questions too.
Thanks to all for their input.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you =
Will<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Your B19KC engine is from the Oct 1965 =
build.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This seems to confirm that =
Ford changed the Tiger engines to the updated PCV system for the Ford =
1966 model year.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>There will =
always be some confusion here because the Sunbeam documentation does not =
seem to be keeping up with the engines configuration =
changes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well, nothing like a good mystery<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Will Seay <Tigers@embarqmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October =
10, 2021 10:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
<rfraser@bluefrog.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Tiger Server =
<tigers@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] PCV =
summary<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ron,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>My IA, 382001570, =
came with a PCV valve with a hose fitting. I'm the original owner =
and I know it came that way. That style of PCV valve must have =
been introduced before the MKII and the 289. I suspect that it =
appeared at about the same time that the B19KC engine was =
introduced. My engine is a numbers-matching =
B19KC.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>Will - 382001570 <br><a =
href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embarqmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">Tigers@embarqmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Parts =
List =
6601131 =
Mk I</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100538 =
; =
=
C3DE-6A664-A &=
nbsp; Hose =E2=80=93 =
PCV<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100669 =
; =
=
97331-S =
&=
nbsp; Clips =E2=80=93 Hose =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100215 =
; =
=
C3TZ-6A666-A &=
nbsp; Valve assembly =
=E2=80=93 <b>this is the early style PCV valve with =
threads</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100667 =
; =
=
378754 &=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100668 =
; =
=
378766-S  =
; =
Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the =
rubber grommet in the valve cover<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Parts =
List =
6601334 =
Mk II</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100979 =
; =
=
C3AZ-6A664-A &=
nbsp; Hose =E2=80=93 =
PCV<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100669 =
; =
=
97331-S =
&=
nbsp; Clips =E2=80=93 Hose =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100825 =
; =
=
C5AZ-6A666-A &=
nbsp; Valve assembly =E2=80=93 =
<b>this is the later style PCV valve with hose =
fitting</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100667 =
; =
=
378754 &=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; Adaptor =
=E2=80=93 this is the brass part <b>=E2=80=93 not correct for PCV valve =
with hose fitting</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>6100668 =
; =
=
378766-S  =
; =
Adaptor =E2=80=93 this is the =
rubber grommet<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>There =
are some problems with these Ford part numbers.</b><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C3DE-6A664-A=
is wrong =E2=80=93 this hose is 3 5/64=E2=80=9D long according to the =
Ford Master Parts Catalog =E2=80=93 this is a 1963 PCV system =
hose<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C3AZ-6A664-A=
is wrong =E2=80=93 this is bulk hose =E2=80=93 bulk hose would be =
horrible for this short distance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I =
don=E2=80=99t know the correct Ford part numbers for either =
hose.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The PCV =
hose available today is C6AZ-6A664-N with 2 right angle =
bends. This hose can be cut for the brass adaptor style =
hose. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>See pcv =
hose picture</b> from Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Brass =
adaptor was made by =
Weatherhead. =
<b>See picture from Terry Packer with Weatherhead =
Logo</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Correct =
brass Adaptor and PCV valves =E2=80=93 <b>see picture from David =
Franchi</b> =E2=80=93 also note that the PCV valve could have AC Spark =
Plug stamped on it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Derek Daily =
has stated the his early B19KC engine has the brass adaptor part. =
This seems to support that all 260 engines had the brass =
Adaptor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.=
5in'>I have been told that some Mk II engines have the brass adaptor =
part. This should only be possible if Ford stock piled this =
part for the Tiger engine build and they changed to the later style PCV =
valve system only after using up the brass adaptor parts. =
Since the Mk II Parts List is vague about this and the Mk II Service =
Manual shows a cleaning procedure for the PCV valve. I =
can see how anyone not an original owner could be confused and purchase =
the brass adaptor thinking it was correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.=
5in'>I=E2=80=99m guessing that some of this confusion with the Parts =
List is due to Chrysler=E2=80=99s involvement with the Rootes Group and =
the reassignment of personnel to other programs. Well, great =
discussion, I think we all learned something but I=E2=80=99m sure there =
are more questions too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks to =
all for their input.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>__________________________________________=
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