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Good point!! Is this a column shift?
I'm betting the first thing that happens when the engine quits is the gear
shifter gets moved. (Into neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to
coast off the road if it happens while driving...) Moving the shifter could
be changing whether spark is being called for.
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On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM watsonm05@comcast.net <watsonm05@com=
cast.net>
wrote:
> Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of the
> problem description that hasn't been addressed:
>
> "...Dakota digital dash system *including neutral safety switch* and
> Transmission gear indicator"
>
> What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it
> shouldn't?
>
> My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactly
> what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) )
>
> Mark
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Mark
> Andy <marka@maracing.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM
> *To:* shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
>
> Howdy,
>
> I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99
> Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the
> grounds between the engine block and the chassis).
>
> But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally
> having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of
> course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a
> completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis.
> Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition
> stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from?
>
> I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out
> either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thin=
g
> have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connector=
s
> for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc?
>
> Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took
> it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it o=
r
> burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :)
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>=
wrote:
>
> Block to frame/body ground straps?
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>
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> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Good point!!=C2=A0 Is this a column shift?=C2=A0</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I'm betting the first t=
hing that happens when the engine quits is the gear shifter gets moved. (In=
to neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to coast off the road if it ha=
ppens while driving...) Moving the shifter could be changing whether spark =
is being called for.</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signa=
ture">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:watsonm05@comcast.net";>watsonm05@comcast.net</a> <<a href=3D=
"mailto:watsonm05@comcast.net";>watsonm05@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali=
bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of t=
he problem description that hasn't been addressed:</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali=
bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<p style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,25=
5);margin:0px">
<span style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cal=
ibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">"...</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:15px;color:rgb(36,36,36)">Dako=
ta digital dash system
<b><u>including neutral safety switch</u></b>=C2=A0and Transmission gear in=
dicator</span><span style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSF=
ontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&q=
uot;</span></p>
<div style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);margin:0px;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Ca=
libri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);margin:0px;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Ca=
libri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it shoul=
dn't?</div>
<div id=3D"m_-5355120802733893972appendonsend"></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactl=
y what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) )</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Mark</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<b>From:</b>=C2=A0Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>> on behalf of Mark Andy <<a href=3D"mailto:marka@maracing.com=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">marka@maracing.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b>=C2=A0Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>=C2=A0shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>=C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem =
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Howdy,</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">I had a similar thing a long time ago with a m=
ore modern car... '99 Camaro.=C2=A0 That did turn out to be grounding r=
elated (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis)=
.<br>
<br>
But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs.=C2=A0it only occasionall=
y having a problem.=C2=A0 Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar =
path of course.=C2=A0 Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just r=
un a completely new / separate grounding wire from
the engine to the chassis.=C2=A0 Maybe even one to the=C2=A0frame and one =
to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted=C2=A0on / getting it=
s ground from?<br>
<br>
I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out =
either though.=C2=A0 You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand n=
ew thing have an issue.=C2=A0 I assume you've carefully inspected all r=
elated connectors for a pin that's not fully seated, etc.
etc?<br>
<br>
Good luck!=C2=A0 With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I t=
ook it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it=
or burn it.=C2=A0 At that point I didn't care which way it went.=C2=A0=
:)<br>
<br>
Mark</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Ho=
rne <<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; id=3D"m_-53551208027338939=
72OWA077b30f1-7d15-c8e7-ffd5-2bdb07f917eb" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">patintexas@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204)">
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Block to frame/body ground straps?</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr">We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><br>
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On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=AFPM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; i=
d=3D"m_-5355120802733893972OWAc2deb3d5-13a7-6d41-7262-0db7a45798c6" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
eric@megageek.com</a>=C2=A0wrote:<br>
<br>
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