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It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has
fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you
appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden
dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?
If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system
that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the
prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.
________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller
On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
> Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it
> for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything
> from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice loom=
s
> and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.
>
> Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the
> same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside
> something
> that we can't see.
>
> Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit an=
d
> watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of
> traffic and not
> get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes
> this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after al=
l
> the changes... it persists
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* <eric@megageek.com>
> *To:* shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Cc:* john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
> *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
> ------------------------------
> John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had
> all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely
> replaced. So, that rules that out...
>
> Or does it?
>
> My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.
> BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harne=
ss?
>
> Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other
> component?
>
> I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside
> a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part?
>
> BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right=
?
>
> Anyway, that is a stumper.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From: "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
> To: "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Date: 05/19/2026 13:16
> Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
> Sent by: "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6
>
> 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c
>
> Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and
>
> Transmission gear indicator
>
>
>
> When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely.
>
>
>
> Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=
=A6BUT will start
> back up
>
> Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15
> minutes=E2=80=A615 days or
>
> three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.
> Speed does not effect it.
>
> Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/=
c on or
> off. It does not have a
>
> Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months=
=E2=80=A6
> shortest was 4 minutes.
>
>
>
> When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is
> spraying as it should
>
> So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done th=
e
> following=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery
> cables (2 gauge I think)
>
> Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 we=
lding
> cable with new crimped
>
> connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points
>
> replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem =
switch)
>
> replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box,
> separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6
>
> it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the
> original ignition system.
>
> Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new =
Autowire
> harness=E2=80=A6including all
>
> Switches and relays. Professionally done.
>
> Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the=
wall
> here=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> john
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvatio=
n, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cyli=
nders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as oppos=
ed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If so, it seems like it would n=
eed to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes st=
ate to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark g=
ets called for, produced and delivered.</div><div><br></div><div data-smart=
mail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Re=
gards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_co=
ntainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=
=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net";>jniolon@att.=
net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness=
was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c=
ompletely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short t=
o ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can't see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're =
so busy trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it's difficult to remember to w=
atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye=
ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>From:</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">eric@megageek.com</a>></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>To:</b> shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Cc:</b> john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jniolon@att.net</a>></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Sent:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP:medium none;HEIGHT:1px;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;BOR=
DER-BOTTOM:medium none;COLOR:#ccc;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ccc">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';FONT-WEIGHT:nor=
mal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAM=
ILY:sans-serif">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short som=
ewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness w=
hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...</span> <br><br><span st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Or does it?</span> <br><br><s=
pan style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">My question, when you s=
aid 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was there=
ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?</span> =
<br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Something in =
dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</span> <br=
><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">I'm still be=
tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.=
=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?</span> <br><br><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">BTW, I'm assuming it was doing thi=
s, before you did all these mods, right? </span><br><br><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</span> <br><b=
r><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Moose</span> <br><b=
r><br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f=
">From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT=
-FAMILY:sans-serif">"john niolon" <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@a=
tt.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jniolon@att.net</a>></span>=
<br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">To:=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY=
:sans-serif">"shop-talk" <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f=
5f5f">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;=
FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">05/19/2026 13:16</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">[Shop-tal=
k] strange automotive electrical problem</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">"Sho=
p-talk" <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>></sp=
an> <br>
<hr noshade>
<br><br>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi=
th=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/=
s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s=
witch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=
=C2=A0 Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo=
u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d=
oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on=
ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it=
hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit=
h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl=
of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So =
far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and =
all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame=
/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i=
mport then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp=
ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doi=
ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to=
taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=
=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welco=
med=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">thanks</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
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