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To: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] gear vs bar oil
From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 11:39:21 -0700
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Not an effective response to your question, but perhaps helpful, I have
been using used vegetable cooking oil for my bar lube for quite a few years
and it has worked well. It seems "stickier" than motor oil and does not
tend to fly off as easily.

I read a link on it many years ago and started using it after I started
deep frying turkeys for Thanksgiving and had gallos of the stuff around.
Here are a couple different links about why using vegetable oil:

FWIW...

https://learn.eartheasy.com/articles/using-vegetable-oil-to-replace-chainsa=
w-oil/#:~:text=3DEffective%20%E2%80%93%20Vegetable%20oils%20have%20natural,=
or%20bar%20wear%20over%20time
.

https://www.thetoolyard.com/2019/03/can-i-use-vegetable-oil-for-lubricating=
.html

best,

doug

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 10:54=E2=80=AFAM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wr=
ote:

> I'm interested as well, but from a 10w40 perspective leftover from a
> previous car.
>
> From https://www.oildepot.ca/what-is-the-viscosity-of-bar-and-chain-oil/
> and https://www.remodelormove.com/what-viscosity-is-bar-and-chain-oil/ it
> appears bar oil is about 30W, so my first though was gear oil might be to=
o
> thick.
>
> One quote from the first link:
>
> Can Motor Oil Be Used As Bar And Chain Oil?
>
> "Can you take a 30-weight motor oil and use it as a bar and chain oil?
> This is not a good idea. Bar and chain oils have additives called
> =E2=80=9Ctackifiers=E2=80=9D. These additives prevent chainsaw oil from f=
linging off during
> high-speed operation. The tacky oil clings to the bar and chain links to
> prevent dry operation."
>
> I kept looking and found
> https://toolspulse.com/what-can-i-use-for-chainsaw-bar-oil/ which equates
> ISO weights with SAE weights:
>
> "SAE 30 oil is equivalent to ISO 100 grade bar oils, SAE 40 is identical
> to ISO 150 bar oils..."
>
> The above link also contains a viscosity chart that included SAE gear oil=
,
> which also appears to be yet another scale, adding to the confusion.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 5/28/2023 1:23 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>
> OK great minds of the internets, quick question...
>
> I use a lot of bar oil since I cut trees.
>
> I have lots of different gear oils that I will most likely not need.  In
> many cases, I needed a few ounces and had to buy a gallon of it.
>
> My question is, can I 'mix' some of the gear oil in with the bar oil?  If
> so, what would be a max ratio?  I want to use up the gear oil and get rid
> of these huge containers, but I figure this would be a good way.
>
> Any other places I can mix it?  I don't think I would try it in hydraulic
> fluid.
>
> So, what's the collective wisdom say here?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose
>
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Doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Not=
 an effective response to your question, but perhaps helpful, I have been u=
sing used vegetable cooking oil for my bar lube for quite a few years and i=
t has worked well. It seems &quot;stickier&quot; than motor oil and does no=
t tend to fly off as easily.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sma=
ll">I read a link on it many years ago and started using it after I started=
 deep frying=C2=A0turkeys for Thanksgiving and had gallos of the stuff arou=
nd. Here are=C2=A0a couple different links about why using vegetable oil:</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">FWIW...</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://learn.eartheasy.com/arti=
cles/using-vegetable-oil-to-replace-chainsaw-oil/#:~:text=3DEffective%20%E2=
%80%93%20Vegetable%20oils%20have%20natural,or%20bar%20wear%20over%20time">h=
ttps://learn.eartheasy.com/articles/using-vegetable-oil-to-replace-chainsaw=
-oil/#:~:text=3DEffective%20%E2%80%93%20Vegetable%20oils%20have%20natural,o=
r%20bar%20wear%20over%20time</a>.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><a href=3D"https://www.thetoolyard.com/2019/03/can-i-use-veget=
able-oil-for-lubricating.html">https://www.thetoolyard.com/2019/03/can-i-us=
e-vegetable-oil-for-lubricating.html</a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
">doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 10:54=E2=80=AFAM Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net";>bk13@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    I&#39;m interested as well, but from a 10w40 perspective leftover from =
a
    previous car.=C2=A0 <br>
    <br>
    From
    <a href=3D"https://www.oildepot.ca/what-is-the-viscosity-of-bar-and-cha=
in-oil/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.oildepot.ca/what-is-the-viscosity-of=
-bar-and-chain-oil/</a>
    and
    <a href=3D"https://www.remodelormove.com/what-viscosity-is-bar-and-chai=
n-oil/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.remodelormove.com/what-viscosity-is-b=
ar-and-chain-oil/</a>
    it appears bar oil is about 30W, so my first though was gear oil
    might be too thick.<br>
    <br>
    One quote from the first link:<br>
    <br>
    Can Motor Oil Be Used As Bar And Chain Oil?<br>
    <br>
    &quot;Can you take a 30-weight motor oil and use it as a bar and chain
    oil? This is not a good idea. Bar and chain oils have additives
    called =E2=80=9Ctackifiers=E2=80=9D. These additives prevent chainsaw o=
il from
    flinging off during high-speed operation. The tacky oil clings to
    the bar and chain links to prevent dry operation.&quot;<br>
    <br>
    I kept looking and found
    <a href=3D"https://toolspulse.com/what-can-i-use-for-chainsaw-bar-oil/"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://toolspulse.com/what-can-i-use-for-chainsaw-bar-o=
il/</a> which
    equates ISO weights with SAE weights:<br>
    <br>
    &quot;SAE 30 oil is equivalent to ISO 100 grade bar oils, SAE 40 is
    identical to ISO 150 bar oils...&quot;<br>
    <br>
    The above link also contains a viscosity chart that included SAE
    gear oil, which also appears to be yet another scale, adding to the
    confusion.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 5/28/2023 1:23 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">OK great
        minds of
        the internets, quick question...</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I use a lot
        of
        bar oil since I cut trees.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I have lots
        of
        different gear oils that I will most likely not need.=C2=A0 In many
        cases,
        I needed a few ounces and had to buy a gallon of it.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">My question
        is,
        can I &#39;mix&#39; some of the gear oil in with the bar oil?=C2=A0=
 If so,
        what
        would be a max ratio?=C2=A0 I want to use up the gear oil and get r=
id
        of
        these huge containers, but I figure this would be a good way.</span=
>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Any other
        places
        I can mix it?=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think I would try it in hydraulic f=
luid.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">So, what&#39;s
        the
        collective wisdom say here?</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thanks.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
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