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Howdy,
This seems a lot more like the time I bought a nice cordless chain saw to
cut up the tree that fell down in my yard once.
I.e. I probably wasn't going to need the saw after I cleaned up the tree
and I could have just borrowed the neighbor's saw. But I wanted one and
had a great excuse.
:)
I am struggling to picture the situation where a "big enough to be
dangerous" wild animal comes into a noisy shop by choice. And even if said
thing occurred, as others have mentioned I dunno what the heck 'regular'
pistol calibers would do in terms of a bear. The idea of a half dozen air
horns scattered around seems a hell of a lot more likely to actually help
you.
If you want a new pistol, just buy one. :)
Mark
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t su=
ch ready access
> to firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and=
also because we
> generally don=E2=80=99t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!
>
> So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal
> with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a meal,
> rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? Maybe i=
t
> would create a bigger problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or
> something at least be a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your
> weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Jones via Shop-talk
> *Sent:* 02 April 2020 15:06
> *Cc:* Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked
> here.
>
>
>
> There are a few things to consider.
>
> If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to ge=
t
> the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnu=
m,
> or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs. Anything less just ma=
y
> focus your adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them mad.
>
> Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and
> where would your firearm be? Are you back to the door working at a bench
> or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you =
be
> able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you?
> You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no means of esca=
pe. Access
> will determine the type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying i=
s fine if
> you use a good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not
> sure how you would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.
>
> What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or you=
r
> neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind y=
our
> potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the first and
> biggest headache.
>
> Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns
> made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and
> barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even
> stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.
>
> A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor so
> you can get out of harms way.
>
> Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid,
> you have a run in and need help.
>
> It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air and
> ventilation.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I don't think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store
> an expensive revolver like that in the garage.
>
> I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't have any
> intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to compromise
> with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an
> inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a
> similar secured wall mount.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk
> <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt
> Python in .357 magnum. I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more
> sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be to=
o
> challenging. Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to
> protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your
> person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to
> revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one
> will take the cake.
> >
> > I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a
> large shop door open. With having bears, coyotes and other large animals
> in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol =
in
> the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> > Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.
> >
> > So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop
> environment, what factors should I consider? I understand that humidity
> will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe
> is.)
> >
> > Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider? I understand tha=
t
> I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything =
I
> need to think about?
> >
> > Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type. I thinking an XD-M
> elite polymer hand gun. With mostly composite parts. Similar to a Glock=
.
> (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one. I do
> have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
> >
> > I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread. Just a 'what to
> consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
> >
> > Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car
> and heavy equipment work, etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>This seems a lot more like the t=
ime I bought a nice cordless chain saw=C2=A0to cut up the tree that fell do=
wn in my yard once.<br><br>I.e. I probably wasn't going to need the saw=
after I cleaned up the tree and I could have just borrowed the neighbor=
9;s saw.=C2=A0 But I wanted one and had a great excuse.<br><br>:)<br><br>I =
am struggling to picture the situation where a "big enough to be dange=
rous" wild animal comes into a noisy shop by choice.=C2=A0 And even if=
said thing occurred, as others have mentioned I dunno what the heck 'r=
egular' pistol calibers would do in terms of a bear.=C2=A0 The idea of =
a half dozen air horns scattered around seems a hell of a lot more likely t=
o actually help you.<br><br>If you want a new pistol, just buy one.=C2=A0 :=
)<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Neil Sherry via Shop-tal=
k <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net<=
/a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div lang=3D"EN-GB"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5987122961538603847WordSection1">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in=
the UK we don=E2=80=99t such ready access to firearms =E2=80=93 and even t=
hen basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and also because we generally don=E2=
=80=99t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>So, my thoughts are more along the lines=
of finding other ways to deal with the potential threat. Would a bear or c=
oyote be really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solu=
tion involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but =
could a well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (=
to get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey=
!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Neil<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>T=
om Jones via Shop-talk<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2020 15:06<br><b>Cc:</b> Ph=
ilip Ethier via Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [S=
hop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">There are a few things to consider.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-hei=
ght:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">If a bear is your ad=
versary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetration to s=
top their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 caliber ri=
fle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.=C2=A0 Anything less just may focus your adv=
ersary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them mad.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3=
pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Where are you most likely to=
be located when a visitor would appear and where would your firearm be?=C2=
=A0 Are you back to the door working at a bench or machine tool, under a ca=
r lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be able to reach your firearm=
and access it before your visitor reaches you? You don=E2=80=99t want them=
to corner you where you have no means of escape. Access will determine the=
type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a =
good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how yo=
u would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">What direction would you most l=
ikely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbors house? No matter what=
you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind your potential target is your 2<su=
p>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and biggest headache.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-heig=
ht:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Revolvers are fine an=
d most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A =
lot of semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, clea=
ning and oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon stee=
l parts that need protected.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;color:black">A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for y=
our visitor so you can get out of harms way.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline=
phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need help.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14=
.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">It may be safer to close t=
he door and find another means of fresh air and ventilation.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky vi=
a Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef=
t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;marg=
in-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">I don'=
;t think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store<b=
r>an expensive revolver like that in the garage.<br><br>I agree with other =
commenters that say that if he doesn't have any<br>intention of carryin=
g the firearm that there's no reason to compromise<br>with a handgun. I=
'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an<br>inexpensive shotgun =
in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a<br>similar secured wall =
mount.<br><br>-Paul<br><br>On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibb=
on via Shop-talk<br><<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Eric,<b=
r>><br>> I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe =
a Colt Python in .357 magnum.=C2=A0 I'd be concerned that a semi-auto w=
ould be more sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it shoul=
d not be too challenging.=C2=A0 Desiccant packs are going to be critical, e=
specially to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light c=
oat of oil.<br>><br>> Good luck.<br>><br>> Tom<br>><br>> =
On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a=
>> wrote:<br>><br>> I'd recommend a stainless double-action re=
volver, attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible=
for the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.<=
br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- vi=
a Shop-talk < <a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Ok, I know I=
9;ve asked some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the =
cake.<br>><br>> I live out in the country, and often work well into t=
he night with a large shop door open.=C2=A0 With having bears, coyotes and =
other large animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea=
to keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night s=
nackers."<br>> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made m=
e think about this.<br>><br>> So my question is, if I have a pistol, =
in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I conside=
r?=C2=A0 I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I =
have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)<br>><br>> Is there any=
thing I'm missing that I should consider?=C2=A0 I understand that I wil=
l most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need =
to think about?<br>><br>> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a wea=
pon type.=C2=A0 I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.=C2=A0 With mostl=
y composite parts.=C2=A0 Similar to a Glock.=C2=A0 (Note, I don't have =
anything against Glock, I just never owned one.=C2=A0 I do have and love my=
XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)<br>><br>> I do=
n't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.=C2=A0 Just a 'wh=
at to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>><br>> Note, i=
n my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy =
equipment work, etc.<br>><br>> Thanks in advance.<br>________________=
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