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This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t =
such ready access to firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only =
shotguns =E2=80=93 and also because we generally don=E2=80=99t have such =
wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!
So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal =
with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a =
meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? =
Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but could a =
well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (to =
get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of =
honey!
Neil
=20
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom =
Jones via Shop-talk
Sent: 02 April 2020 15:06
Cc: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked =
here.
=20
There are a few things to consider.
If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to =
get the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 =
magnum, or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs. Anything =
less just may focus your adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really =
make them mad.
Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and =
where would your firearm be? Are you back to the door working at a =
bench or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? =
Will you be able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor =
reaches you? You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no =
means of escape. Access will determine the type of secure storage =
you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster =
with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how you would present =
the gun on a creeper under a car though.
What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or =
your neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s =
behind your potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the =
first and biggest headache.
Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns =
made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and =
barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even =
stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.
A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor =
so you can get out of harms way.
Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid, =
you have a run in and need help.
It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air =
and ventilation.
=20
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk =
I don't think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store
an expensive revolver like that in the garage.
I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't have any
intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to compromise
with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an
inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a
similar secured wall mount.
-Paul
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk
>
> Eric,
>
> I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt =
Python in .357 magnum. I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more =
sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be =
too challenging. Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially =
to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of =
oil.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Tom
>
> On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk =
>
> I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your =
person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to =
revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < =
>
> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this =
one will take the cake.
>
> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a =
large shop door open. With having bears, coyotes and other large =
animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep =
a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about =
this.
>
> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a =
shop environment, what factors should I consider? I understand that =
humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' =
the safe is.)
>
> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider? I understand =
that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there =
anything I need to think about?
>
> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type. I thinking an XD-M =
elite polymer hand gun. With mostly composite parts. Similar to a =
Glock. (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned =
one. I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of =
consideration.)
>
> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread. Just a 'what =
to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
>
> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, =
car and heavy equipment work, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This all seems alien to me =
=E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t such ready access to =
firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and =
also because we generally don=E2=80=99t have such wildlife, so please =
excuse my naivety!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, my thoughts are more along the =
lines of finding other ways to deal with the potential threat. Would a =
bear or coyote be really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could =
there be a solution involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger =
problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or something at least be =
a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of =
chocolate. Or a jar of honey!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Tom Jones via Shop-talk<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2020 =
15:06<br><b>Cc:</b> Philip Ethier via Shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
Maybe the weirest shop related question asked =
here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There are a few things to =
consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If a bear is your adversary, then =
a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetration to stop their =
advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 caliber rifle or =
12ga shotgun with slugs. Anything less just may focus your =
adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them =
mad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Where are you most likely to be =
located when a visitor would appear and where would your firearm =
be? Are you back to the door working at a bench or machine tool, =
under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be able to reach =
your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you? You =
don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no means of escape. =
Access will determine the type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. =
Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster with retention and =
trigger protection. Not sure how you would present the gun on a creeper =
under a car though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What direction would you most =
likely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbors house? No matter =
what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind your potential target is =
your 2<sup>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and biggest =
headache.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Revolvers are fine and most can =
be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A lot of =
semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning =
and oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon steel =
parts that need protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A can of bear spray may provide =
enough of a diversion for your visitor so you can get out of harms =
way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hopefully you keep a cell phone =
or landline phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need =
help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It may be safer to close the door =
and find another means of fresh air and =
ventilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't think a revolver is a poor choice =
but there's no way I'd store<br>an expensive revolver like that in the =
garage.<br><br>I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't =
have any<br>intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to =
compromise<br>with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle =
or an<br>inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts =
or a<br>similar secured wall mount.<br><br>-Paul<br><br>On Tue, Mar 31, =
2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk<br><<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br>><br>> Eric,<br>><br>> I second the stainless =
steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Python in .357 magnum. =
I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more sensitive to that kind =
of environment, but either way it should not be too challenging. =
Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to protect the ammo =
as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.<br>><br>> =
Good luck.<br>><br>> Tom<br>><br>> On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 =
PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br>><br>> I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, =
attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for =
the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the =
holster.<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 =
PM eric--- via Shop-talk < <a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br>><br>> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions =
before, but I think this one will take the cake.<br>><br>> I live =
out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop =
door open. With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in =
the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in =
the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."<br>> =
Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about =
this.<br>><br>> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid =
access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I consider? =
I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have =
to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)<br>><br>> Is there anything I'm =
missing that I should consider? I understand that I will most =
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to =
think about?<br>><br>> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon =
type. I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun. With mostly =
composite parts. Similar to a Glock. (Note, I don't have =
anything against Glock, I just never owned one. I do have and love =
my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)<br>><br>> I =
don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread. Just a 'what =
to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>><br>> Note, in my =
shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy =
equipment work, etc.<br>><br>> Thanks in =
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