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Re: Shop expansion - general plan, concrete?? Looooong post

To: Wayne Farrington <>
Subject: Re: Shop expansion - general plan, concrete?? Looooong post
From: Pat Horne <>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:46:04 -0500

Thanks for the email, it makes things clearer.

One thing about walls, they have TWO sides! Even though one side is 
drywalled, the other side is metal that is held on by screws. If you 
open up this side of the wall and reroute the electrics out of the way 
of the open you want to cut, things should be easier.

Don't forget to put a header over the 10' wide opening before you 
knock out the studs. Depending on how much weight is on that wall you 
may have to build a temporary (pony) wall to hold up the ceiling, etc. 
while you cut the studs and put in the header.

Finally, since you want to be able to pass from one room to the other, 
you will want to get the floors to be at the same elevation. Removing 
the siding and working the new concrete to match the level of the old 
will be much easier this way.


Wayne Farrington wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, Pat.
> I guess technically I'm scabbing another room onto the back of building. 
> What I would like to do (after the roof and walls are up on the 
> expansion) is blow a 10' wide by 8' tall hole in this wall just to the 
> right of the mandoor. That would connect the two rooms and allow free 
> passage between them. I'm anticipating the lathe/milling machine etc 
> would go in this new room.
> The problem with this grand plan is the amount of work required to deal 
> with the boatload of wiring that is in the wall (which is now insulated, 
> sheetrocked, and finished) where the opening would be. The only other 
> way I can figure to grant internal passage through the two spaces is to 
> make the new room include the space where that current mandoor is. Then 
> remove that current door and move it to the side of the new room (now 
> when you enter the shop you would be entering the new room from the 
> outside). Unfortunately I can't extend the new pad out the full 16' in 
> front of the door because of the septic tank (have to stay 5' away), I 
> can go perhaps 8-10'. This would mean to get from the main room into the 
> new room I'd have to walk through that existing door opening (no door on 
> it) make a hard right and into the new room. This may make moving 
> machinery and such into that new room and interesting proposition.
> Wayne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Horne" <>
> To: "Wayne Farrington" <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Shop expansion - general plan, concrete?? Looooong post
>> Wayne,
>> From your posting it isn't clear to me whether you are adding a room, 
>> or trying to expand the room you have now, I think you are wanting 
>> another room.

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