Where do I get a new freeze plug?
Thanks,
NHJim
-----Original Message-----
From: jls [mailto:jls@seavcom.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:03 PM
To: Hanlon, Bill
Cc: Jhouse; Doug Pewterbaugh; Jays Mail; oletrucks@autox.team.net;
Old-Chevy-Truck - Orginal (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
I agree all your time is certainly worth the price of a freeze plug.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Hanlon, Bill wrote:
> There won't be anything to "push" the water past the plug without
> installing the pump and radiator, closing the system back up, starting
> the engine and waiting for the system to build pressure. If I had it
> this far apart I would remove the old plug, clean the surface on the
> block that it contacts and install a new plug. You might waste a $ or
> two, but you'd say bad things about your OleTruck if you buttoned it up
> with the old plug in place and it did the same thing tomorrow.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jhouse [mailto:jhouse@ccsol.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:59 PM
> To: 'Doug Pewterbaugh'; 'Jays Mail'; oletrucks@autox.team.net
> Cc: Old-Chevy-Truck - Orginal (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
>
>
> Thanks Doug and all,
> Well I took about 45 minuets to pulled the radiator and water pump.
> Guess
> what I saw. The plug, it was pushed out about 1/4 inch from the block
> on
> the top and dipped into the block about the same space. I took an oak
> scrap
> of flat wood and placed it over the plug and whacked it a few time with
> a
> hammer. This pushed it back flat with the block on the top and it still
> is
> a litter farther in at the bottom. I am wanting to test to see if it
> will
> leak without putting everything back together. Should I fill it up with
> water using the water holes for the water pump and then start it for a
> short
> time to see if the water is pushed out of the plug? It is cold outside
> about 35-40 degrees and I do not think I would do any damage to the
> motor
> running it for under a minute. What do you think?
>
> Should the plug be pushed back in farther on the top?
> Is it ok to test it like describe above?
> Anything else you think I should try before putting it all back
> together?
>
> The old water pump internally looks better than the replacement I have.
>
> Thanks,
> NHJim
> 45 Chevy 3104
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Pewterbaugh [mailto:dpewter@msn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:09 PM
> To: Jhouse; 'Jays Mail'; oletrucks@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
>
>
> What you are looking for is not the cupped, but rather, the flat (or
> actually slightly concave) 2" diameter circle just to the right (as
> referenced looking at the front of the engine) & partially below the
> pump,
> pressed into the block.
>
> Freeze plugs (or sometimes called soft plugs) were not discontinued, but
> in
> fact are still used today. The misconception that they were created for
> &
> will protect a block when the coolant freezes (hence the name freeze
> plug)
> by popping out when the ice expands, is a false conception. They are
> actually used in the manufacture of the blocks; sand is used to create
> the
> water jacket cavity during the metal casting process. The holes are
> then
> used to "shake" the sand out of the cavity space after the castings have
> cooled, leaving the space hollow creating the water jacket. Ask an old
> auto
> worker about the casting plant "shakers".
>
> Regards,
> Doug Pewterbaugh
> dpewter@msn.com
> Denton, TX
> 49 3104 216 5-window
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jhouse" <jhouse@ccsol.com>
> To: "'Doug Pewterbaugh'" <dpewter@msn.com>; "'Jays Mail'"
> <jaybaker@ruralnetwork.net>; <old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com>;
> <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
>
>
> > From what I can read it looks like these freeze plugs were stopped by
> Gm
> in
> > 1936. I have a manual that shows a special GM tool that you can wacky
> this
> > plug back into the block. Is that what he is talking about or is my
> book
> > bad data. I see that Jay stated that I need to remove the water pump
> to
> get
> > to the freeze plug. Do you have any idea how to re-insert the freeze
> plug?
> >
> > So far I have cleaned out my used extra water pump and cut two new
> gaskets.
> > When I looked at the truck for a hole I could see nothing. I felt
> around
> > under the pump and it seem to be smooth. Is this plug directly under
> the
> > water pump or do I need to pull the pump to get at the plug? Even
> using a
> > mirror and lots of lights I can not see a plug or any type of insert
> into
> > the block. Since my next step is to pull the radiator and swap the
> pump I
> > do not want to re-fill the radiator to see where the water is coming
> out
> > just to drain it again.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > NHJim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug Pewterbaugh [mailto:dpewter@msn.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 1:33 PM
> > To: Jhouse; 'Jays Mail'; old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com;
> > oletrucks@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
> >
> >
> > I think he is talking about a freeze plug (flat or cupped & pressed
> into
> the
> > block).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Doug Pewterbaugh
> > dpewter@msn.com
> > Denton, TX
> > 49 3104 216 5-window
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jhouse" <jhouse@ccsol.com>
> > To: "'Jays Mail'" <jaybaker@ruralnetwork.net>; "'dpewter'"
> > <dpewter@msn.com>; <old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
> >
> >
> > > Is this plug on the block or on the pump. I can see no plug. Is it
> a
> > screw
> > > or what is the head format?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > NHJim
> > > 45 Chevy 3104 (that is not going to the dump today;<)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jays Mail [mailto:jaybaker@ruralnetwork.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:52 PM
> > > To: dpewter; Jhouse; old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com;
> > > oletrucks@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
> > >
> > >
> > > there is a freeze plug directly under the pump? I had to replace one
> of
> > > these in a 41 I picked up one time
> > > Thanks Jay Baker
> > > 4864 Hyline Rd
> > > Ontario Or, 97914
> > > 1-208-409-3213
> > > www.expage.com/chevylikearock.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "dpewter" <dpewter@msn.com>
> > > To: "Jhouse" <jhouse@ccsol.com>; <old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com>;
> > > <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:45 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
> > >
> > >
> > > > If it's like the pumps in the later 216's, like my 49 (but not
> like
> the
> > > > older 235's, with the fan pellars recessed into the block), then
> you
> > have
> > > a
> > > > gasket leak EITHER where the pump attaches to the block (two
> ports, I
> > > > believe, in & out) OR the plate that is used to seal the back of
> the
> > water
> > > > pump casting is distressed. If you don't see water leaking out
> the
> > front
> > > > (hard to see with the deeply recessed pulley that the 216's all
> have)
> OR
> > > > hear "scrawling" from the pump bearing/bushing, then the pump is
> > probably
> > > > not in need of a mechanical rebuild or replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Doug Pewterbaugh
> > > > dpewter@msn.com
> > > > Denton, TX
> > > > 49 3104 216 5-window
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jhouse" <jhouse@ccsol.com>
> > > > To: <old-chevy-truck@yahoogroups.com>; <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > > Subject: [oletrucks] The cold got to me
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well all summer my 46 1/2 ton was boiling over, after an hour
> drive.
> > > > > Original 216 with NO MODIFICATIONS, 65,000 miles, one rebuild
> with
> > +30,
> > > > new
> > > > > head job last summer. It runs great in the winter and below 70
> > outside
> > > it
> > > > > hangs out around 175. So I just add a 1/2 gallon of water as
> needed
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > was on my way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that the temp had dropped and I did not have anything in the
> > system
> > > > > beside water, I now have a stream of water going down my
> driveway.
> I
> > > > > refilled the system and started the motor. Well it still is
> poring
> > out.
> > > > At
> > > > > first I thought it was coming through the driver side of the
> block.
> > > Well
> > > > > now I have found it to be coming out the bottom of the water
> pump.
> > > > Between
> > > > > the pump and the block. I have both a rebuilt water pump and a
> water
> > > pump
> > > > > rebuilding kit. I am guessing that I should swap it out with
> the
> > > > > replacement and hope everything is ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any input?
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like a simple but time consuming job - is it - any
> hints?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > NHJim
> > > > > 45 Chevy 3104
> > > > > Hollis, NH (now it up to 55)
> > > > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941
> and
> > 1959
> > > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
> 1959
> > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
> 1959
> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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>
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