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Yes, I am sure it is a ground problem.=C2=A0 You are correct when you say =
the old connections probably are corroded to the point of very little elect=
rical connectivity.=C2=A0 They should be cleaned and re-connected.=C2=A0 Fo=
r now I just need the tach to work.=C2=A0 I am in the middle of an Austin H=
ealey BN2 restoration and do not have unlimited time to play around with th=
e MG yet.=C2=A0 A little at a time.=C2=A0 Today I am pulling the tachometer=
and the speedometer out to send out to be rebuilt.=C2=A0 While they are ou=
t, I will have access to more of the wiring behind the dash.=C2=A0 It will =
be a chance to clean up some connections before they come back.=C2=A0 Today=
I will disconnect the grounding wire eyelet I found behind the tach that I=
slipped over the threaded post for the experiment.=C2=A0 We'll see if the =
horn comes back.=C2=A0 After that, we'll see why the cigar lighter does not=
work.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I need a power point to charge my phone.Mike M
On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:43:18 AM PST, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
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I agree. That is something I did, too. Just thoroughly cleaning the contac=
ts makes a huge difference. And you will probably find that a lot of those =
old connectors will be cracked and aren=E2=80=99t really gripping.
--Max Heim'66 MGB
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:
Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job.=
=C2=A0It looks, like the car has been exposed to =E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=9D f=
or many times.=C2=A0This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor=
or bad.=C2=A0So besides true fault finding, I=E2=80=99d dismantle all wiri=
ng and get all contacts cleaned.Clean all bullet connectors and replace all=
their interconnects.Clean all other connectors and replace these when they=
are bad.I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any =
electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter s=
olenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore.=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0So get a matching electrical diagram of the car=E2=80=99s built year.The=
Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. =C2=A0Hope this helps for the long=
term. =C2=A0Cheers,Hans=E2=80=9971 BGT =C2=A0Van:=C2=A0Mgs [mailto:mgs-bou=
nces@autox.team.net]=C2=A0Namens=C2=A0Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden:=C2=A0donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20
Aan:=C2=A0Michael MacLean
CC:=C2=A0MGs
Onderwerp:=C2=A0Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare =C2=A0I think you still have=
a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire o=
n a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. =C2=A0It does help =
to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0--Max Heim'66 MGB =C2=A0
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> =
wrote: =C2=A0In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die wh=
en the headlights were turned on.=C2=A0 Someone mentioned that the tach was=
looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.=C2=A0 Th=
at turned out to be true, somewhat.=C2=A0 To test this I pulled the instrum=
ent to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.=C2=A0 One =
arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other=
arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument=
.=C2=A0 For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the thre=
aded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temp=
orarily to find out about the missing ground theory.=C2=A0 It worked!=C2=A0=
You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?=C2=A0 The light had=
not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sandin=
g the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb=
shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!=C2=A0 After this=
hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.=C2=A0 Now the horn=
does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the=
horn, the brake warning light comes on.=C2=A0 I just love electrical probl=
ems.=C2=A0 Not in my element here.=C2=A0 Any ideas?Mike MacLean____________=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Yes, I am sure it is a groun=
d problem. You are correct when you say the old connections probably =
are corroded to the point of very little electrical connectivity. The=
y should be cleaned and re-connected. For now I just need the tach to=
work. I am in the middle of an Austin Healey BN2 restoration and do =
not have unlimited time to play around with the MG yet. A little at a=
time. Today I am pulling the tachometer and the speedometer out to s=
end out to be rebuilt. While they are out, I will have access to more=
of the wiring behind the dash. It will be a chance to clean up some =
connections before they come back. Today I will disconnect the ground=
ing wire eyelet I found behind the tach that I slipped over the threaded po=
st for the experiment. We'll see if the horn comes back. After =
that, we'll see why the cigar lighter does not work. I need a p=
ower point to charge my phone.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
Mike M<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:43:18 AM PST, Max Hei=
m via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"yiv4413153026"><div>I agree. That is someth=
ing I did, too. Just thoroughly cleaning the contacts makes a huge differen=
ce. And you will probably find that a lot of those old connectors will be c=
racked and aren=E2=80=99t really gripping.<div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><br =
class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026">
<div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);letter-spacing:nor=
mal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px=
;word-wrap:break-word;"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"color:rgb(0, =
0, 0);letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space=
:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026=
" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;">--</div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"=
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px;">Max Heim</div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;">'66 MGB</div></d=
iv></div>
</div>
<br class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026yqt41=
12021121" id=3D"yiv4413153026yqt16546"><div><blockquote class=3D"yiv4413153=
026" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:40 A=
M, Hans Duinhoven <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv441315=
3026" ymailto=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br c=
lass=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026WordSection1" style=3D"font-f=
amily:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-sp=
acing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp=
acing:0px;"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413=
153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(3=
1, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">Looking to your picture, I think it is better =
to do a thorough wiring job.<span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-spa=
ce"> </span></span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:=
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><spa=
n class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans=
-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">It looks, like the car has b=
een exposed to =E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=9D for many times.<span class=3D"yiv44=
13153026Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div class=3D"yiv4=
413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11p=
t;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">T=
his means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.<span class=
=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div clas=
s=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D=
"EN-US">So besides true fault finding, I=E2=80=99d dismantle all wiring and=
get all contacts cleaned.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=
=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">Clean all bullet =
connectors and replace all their interconnects.</span></div><div class=3D"y=
iv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'=
Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US=
">Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad.</span></d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:=
12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 12=
5);" lang=3D"EN-US">I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I nev=
er had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) an=
d starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore=
.<span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:=
12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 12=
5);" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=
=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">So get a matching=
electrical diagram of the car=E2=80=99s built year.</span></div><div class=
=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"=
EN-US">The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.</span></div><div class=
=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"=
EN-US"> </span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm=
0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span c=
lass=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">Hope this helps for the long te=
rm.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001=
pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv=
4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:r=
gb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></div><div class=3D"yiv44131=
53026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times N=
ew Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">Cheer=
s,</span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001p=
t;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4=
413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rg=
b(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">Hans</span></div><div class=3D"yiv441315302=
6" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New R=
oman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US">=E2=80=99=
71 BGT</span></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0=
001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"=
yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></div><div class=3D"yiv44=
13153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"border-style:solid none non=
e;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);padding:3pt 0cm =
0cm;"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class=3D"yiv4413153026"><=
span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sa=
ns-serif;">Van:</span></b><span class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-con=
verted-space"> </span>Mgs [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D=
"yiv4413153026" ymailto=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>]<span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span>=
<b class=3D"yiv4413153026">Namens<span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converte=
d-space"> </span></b>Max Heim via Mgs<br class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=
=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv4413153026">Verzonden:</b><span class=3D"yiv441315=
3026Apple-converted-space"> </span>donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20<br =
class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv4413153026">Aan:</b><=
span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael MacL=
ean<br class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv4413153026">CC=
:</b><span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span>MGs<br=
class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv4413153026">Onderwer=
p:</b><span class=3D"yiv4413153026Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [=
Mgs] Electrical Nightmare</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv44131530=
26" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New =
Roman', serif;"> </div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0=
cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">I thi=
nk you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separ=
ate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness.</d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margi=
n:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> &=
nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" =
style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roma=
n', serif;">It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where=
the common grounds are.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=
=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv44131530=
26"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size=
:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div></div><div class=
=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026=
"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin=
:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">--</span></div></div><=
div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0c=
m 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span =
class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Max Heim</span></div></di=
v><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin=
:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">'66 MGB</span></div></=
div></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"> </div=
><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><blockquote class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"=
margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv441315302=
6"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:=
12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, M=
ichael MacLean via Mgs <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4=
413153026" ymailto=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline;=
">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"=
style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Rom=
an', serif;"> </div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv441=
3153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:'Times New Roman', serif;">In an earlier post I told how my tach in m=
y 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mention=
ed that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the =
instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this =
I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the=
picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of th=
e case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around b=
ehind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire con=
nector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach =
back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory.&nb=
sp; It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?=
The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after=
scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of th=
e tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's mo=
re! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive=
. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel s=
talk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just l=
ove electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas?</di=
v></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026"><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=3D"=
margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif=
;">Mike MacLean</div></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv4413153026" style=
=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;">_______________________________________________<br class=3D"yiv44131=
53026" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv4413153026" clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"=
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