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Good show Bob!
When checking the carbs, also verify any play on the butterfly shafts.
Especially at lower revs play causes false air taken into the carb, with ba=
d low speed driving as a result.
Cheers,
Hans
Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juni 2019 0:21
Aan: Richard Lindsay
CC: Hans Duinhoven; mgs@autox.team.net List
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of float =
chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed air =
on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage. If not, w=
e can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side panels =
diabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.
It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my MGB, after=
he had installed them in this TF and his MGA. I did, and it improved the=
inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I sent the distrib=
utor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the engine, its co=
mpression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved the distributor t=
o fit. This engine runs very well now. Though he is not 100% sold on the P=
ertronix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB is not as easy as in T=
D.
Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper proport=
ion.
Bob
On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
Keep cleaning Bob. :-)
My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed issu=
es. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran fan=
tastic! The slow idle was perfect.
So check the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:
Good on both of you.
Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a fri=
end in his TF, stored a year or so. It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputteri=
ng, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000.
Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. One =
had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of tha=
t, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid.
The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larger t=
han would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, the a=
dditional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the tank=
, it was a puzzle. We could check banjo, pump and additional filter-none h=
ad any grit or sediment.
Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.
Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment is =
in the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day yesterd=
ay.
Bob
On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced in tw=
o bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the engin=
e up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.
I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A couple =
of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps aro=
und the shop and all was still well.
Rick
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:=
Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.
Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to replace=
the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.
A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom of =
the radiator pipe.
Nut with a dry result!
Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal particles.=
Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.
Then the GT should be roadworthy again.
Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT NRG -
Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs=
Verzonden: woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51
Aan: mgs@autox.team.net List
Onderwerp: [Mgs] Silly error.
Hi Friends,
My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the issue i=
s universal. Here's the short story.
When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a hurry =
and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body to the he=
ad. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The threaded hole =
drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.
I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and place f=
iber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully completes the=
engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my MG TD.
Rick
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Good show Bob!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>When checking the carbs, also verify any play on the butterfly =
shafts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Especially at lower revs play causes false air taken into the carb, =
with bad low speed driving as a result.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] <br><b>Verzonden:</b> =
vrijdag 14 juni 2019 0:21<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay<br><b>CC:</b> =
Hans Duinhoven; mgs@autox.team.net List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
Silly error.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of =
float chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of =
compressed air on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the =
passage. If not, we can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on =
a TF, with its side panels diabolically placed to make any carb work =
difficult.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> It =
was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my MGB, after he =
had installed them in this TF and his MGA. I did, and it improved =
the inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I sent the =
distributor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the =
engine, its compression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved =
the distributor to fit. This engine runs very well now. Though he =
is not 100% sold on the Pertronix, I keep it because setting dwell of =
the MGB is not as easy as in TD. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to get =
them all in proper proportion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard =
Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Keep cleaning Bob. :-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND =
the higher speed issues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in =
both cars and they ran fantastic! The slow idle was =
perfect. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So check the timing with a timing light to see if it =
is stable. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com";>mgbobh@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Good on both of =
you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> Yesterday was =
an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a friend in his =
TF, stored a year or so. It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputtering, =
bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> Back at the =
garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. One had a =
teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of that, =
plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> The goo was =
easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larger than would =
pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, the =
additional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the =
tank, it was a puzzle. We could check banjo, pump and additional =
filter-none had any grit or sediment. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that =
workshop manual says.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect =
that some of the sediment is in the passage from float chamber to the =
jet, but we ran out of day yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard =
Lindsay via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> Good work Hans! I too had a successful =
day at the shop. I replaced in two bolts in the waterpump housing and =
the leak is gone! We brought the engine up to temperature with (up to) =
13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> I also found a small fuel leak at the =
intake of the fuel pump. A couple of spannet twists put that right and =
dry. With that, we made a few laps around the shop and all was still =
well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; =
target=3D"_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and =
yesterday.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to =
replace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the =
waterpump.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the =
bottom of the radiator pipe.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Nut with a dry result!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal =
particles.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid =
tomorrow.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Then the GT should be roadworthy again.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>71 BGT NRG - </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard =
Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 12 juni 2019 =
18:51<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a> List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] =
Silly error.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi =
Friends,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> =
My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the =
issue is universal. Here's the short story.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> =
When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a =
hurry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body =
to the head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The =
threaded hole drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, =
leaks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> =
I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and =
place fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully =
completes the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top =
on my MG TD.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rick<o:p></o=
:p></p></div></div></div><div =
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