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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Overdrive Diagram
From: Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 17:46:53 -0800
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Sorry, in the interest of brevity, I did not make myself clear.

What I meant was that there are no HYDRAULIC servos or plungers, etc. in =
the standard gearbox. I did not consider a pump to be in the same =
category.

My point was that where oil is used in a hydraulic capacity, viscosity =
may be an issue (small orifices, for example).

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Max Heim
'66 MGB


PS: replying to Paul, I also NEVER said that detergent is a problem in =
gearbox oil. I specifically said that it is not necessary =E2=80=94 that =
is not at all the same thing.



> On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Ah, the old "splash lubrication" theory.   This was the basis for the =
the idea that you would damage your gearbox if you towed the car any =
distance with the rear wheels on the ground.  I often wondered if the =
proponents of this theory thought that the oil "splashed" all the way =
back to the tailshaft bearing in the non-OD gearbox.   Nope, there are =
passages to send oil back there and return it.  Anyway I towed my '69 =
MGB non-OD behind my motor home all the way from south TX to New England =
and back with all 4 wheels on the ground, the driveshaft connected and =
the gearbox in neutral with no ensuing problem.  Funny how these myths =
take on a life of their own.
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> CR
>> Anyway, backing up a paragraph or two, to my mind there is a =
significant difference between the standard transmission, which uses oil =
for splash lubrication only, and the OD transmission, which uses oil as =
hydraulic fluid with a planetary gearset, much like an automatic =
transmission. Automatic transmissions are extremely sensitive to =
viscosity =E2=80=94 I don't think you would have much luck with 90W gear =
oil in an auto trans.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Sorry, in the interest of brevity, I did not make myself =
clear.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">What I meant =
was that there are no HYDRAULIC servos or plungers, etc. in the standard =
gearbox. I did not consider a pump to be in the same category.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My point was that where =
oil is used in a hydraulic capacity, viscosity may be an issue (small =
orifices, for example).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">PS: replying to Paul, I =
also NEVER said that detergent is a problem in gearbox oil. I =
specifically said that it is not necessary =E2=80=94 that is not at all =
the same thing.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
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    <br class=3D"">
    Ah, the old "splash lubrication" theory.&nbsp;&nbsp; This was the =
basis for
    the the idea that you would damage your gearbox if you towed the car
    any distance with the rear wheels on the ground.&nbsp; I often =
wondered
    if the proponents of this theory thought that the oil "splashed" all
    the way back to the tailshaft bearing in the non-OD =
gearbox.&nbsp;&nbsp; Nope,
    there are passages to send oil back there and return it.&nbsp; =
Anyway I
    towed my '69 MGB non-OD behind my motor home all the way from south
    TX to New England and back with all 4 wheels on the ground, the
    driveshaft connected and the gearbox in neutral with no ensuing
    problem.&nbsp; Funny how these myths take on a life of their own.<br =
class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    CR<br class=3D"">
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:FBE286443FF24BD99359200685F568E5@paul" class=3D"">
      <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:
        5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" =
class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">Anyway, backing up a paragraph or two, to my =
mind there is
          a significant difference between the standard transmission,
          which uses oil for splash lubrication only, and the OD
          transmission, which uses oil as hydraulic fluid with a
          planetary gearset, much like an automatic transmission.
          Automatic transmissions are extremely sensitive to viscosity =
=E2=80=94
          I don't think you would have much luck with 90W gear oil in an
          auto trans.</div>
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