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Hi Barrie.=C2=A0 I can only speak from my experience, not any formal techn=
ical training.=C2=A0 When synthetic oil became popular (sometime in the mid=
-80's) I decided to try synthetic gear oil in my race car transmissions.=C2=
=A0 With this oil, the transmission was very hard to shift.=C2=A0 After spe=
aking with some experts, we finally concluded that the synthetic oil was so=
slippery that is was not allowing the synchro rings to grip onto the cones=
, therefore reducing the effectiveness of a synchromesh transmission.=C2=A0=
When I switched back to straight 50 Wt. Valvoline Racing oiI, it shifted j=
ust fine.
That's my experience.
Jack
On Friday, January 18, 2019, 4:23:48 PM EST, Barrie Robinson via Mgs <m=
gs@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
=C2=A0 Hello folks
=20
I know not if his helps but in matters of transmissions I would use synth=
etic.=C2=A0 I had a new Maserati Biturbo and when cold had a very sticky 2n=
d gear and "running it in" was not my idea of fun.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dealer said =
Alfa Romeo had had success with synthetic as they also had a sticky 2nd.=C2=
=A0 So synthetic went in - HUGE success - never had tough 2nd gear again.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
=20
=20
=20
On 1/17/2019 6:41 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
=20
=20
Are you sure it isn't the gear oil?=20
The factory has always called for engine oil. There has been a lot of rid=
iculous debate over precisely what grade of engine oil (personally, I don=
=E2=80=99t think it matters, but let=E2=80=99s not start that), but there i=
s certainly a large difference in viscosity between say 20W50, and 85W90. T=
he overdrive, unlike the rest of the transmission, uses oil in a hydraulic =
function, not just as splash lubrication, so viscosity is probably very imp=
ortant.=20
-- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net=20
=20
=20
=20
On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jack Wheeler via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:=20
Does anyone have a good exploded diagram of the overdrive unit used in a=
1971 MGB, that you could send to me?=C2=A0 I am particularly interested in=
the pump assembly.=C2=A0 I changed the oil in my gearbox this week, using =
EP 85/90 GL-4 gear oil, as recommended in a recent article in the MG Driver=
magazine.=20
While the car was up in the air, I noticed a leak around the plug which h=
olds the pump assembly in place.=C2=A0 So, I removed the pump, careful to k=
eep all the pieces in the order in which they came out.=C2=A0 I cleaned eve=
rything up, and reinstalled the pump assembly and plug (part number 466-315=
in the Moss catalog), with a new gasket.=C2=A0 I thought I had all of the =
pieces of the pump assembly (items 62-66 in the Moss diagram) in the right =
order when I reinstalled it, but when I took the car out for a test drive,=
the overdrive would not engage.=20
In addition to trying to keep the pieces in the order in which they came =
out, I also used the exploded diagram in the Moss catalog (Page 41) as a g=
uide.=C2=A0 The Moss diagram, however, is different than my overdrive unit.=
=C2=A0 Moss says their diagram is for cars from 1968 to 1980, but apparentl=
y, some things were changed during that time frame.=C2=A0 I can't believe t=
he engineers would let anything go unchanged for 12 years!=C2=A0 It looks l=
ike the plunger (Moss part number 466-305) shown in the Moss catalog diagra=
m has a roller on the end of it.=C2=A0 My plunger does not have a roller on=
the end of it.=C2=A0 Maybe this will give you a lead to which diagram I am=
looking for.
=20
So, that leaves me looking for a good exploded diagram of the unit used i=
n a 1971 model.=C2=A0 Can anyone help with that, or does anyone have any su=
ggestions as to what I might have done to make the overdrive not work, when=
it has always worked fine.=C2=A0 Thanks.=20
Jack Wheeler
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<div>Hi Barrie. I can only speak from my experience, not any =
formal technical training. When synthetic oil became popular (sometim=
e in the mid-80's) I decided to try synthetic gear oil in my race car trans=
missions. With this oil, the transmission was very hard to shift.&nbs=
p; After speaking with some experts, we finally concluded that the syntheti=
c oil was so slippery that is was not allowing the synchro rings to grip on=
to the cones, therefore reducing the effectiveness of a synchromesh transmi=
ssion. When I switched back to straight 50 Wt. Valvoline Racing oiI, =
it shifted just fine.</div><div><br></div><div>That's my experience.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div>
On Friday, January 18, 2019, 4:23:48 PM EST, Barrie Rob=
inson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158"><div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158moz-cite-prefix"> Hello fol=
ks<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158moz-cite-prefix"><br clear=3D"non=
e">
</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158moz-cite-prefix">I know not if hi=
s helps but in matters
of transmissions I would use synthetic. I had a new Maserati
Biturbo and when cold had a very sticky 2nd gear and "running it
in" was not my idea of fun. Dealer said Alfa Romeo had ha=
d
success with synthetic as they also had a sticky 2nd. So
synthetic went in - HUGE success - never had tough 2nd gear
again. <br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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ting=3D"true" style=3D"width: 200px; max-width: 200px;">
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e">
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e">
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e">
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158yqt6002485370" id=3D"ydpb2596ea4y=
iv8309388158yqtfd79210"><div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158moz-cite-pref=
ix">On 1/17/2019 6:41 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158yqt600=
2485370" id=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158yqtfd08752"></div><div><div class=3D=
"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158yqt6002485370" id=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158yqtfd=
43988"><div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">Are you sure it isn't the ge=
ar oil?</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158"><br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv83=
09388158" clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">The factory has always called=
for engine oil. There
has been a lot of ridiculous debate over precisely what grade of
engine oil (personally, I don=E2=80=99t think it matters, but let=
=E2=80=99s not
start that), but there is certainly a large difference in
viscosity between say 20W50, and 85W90. The overdrive, unlike
the rest of the transmission, uses oil in a hydraulic function,
not just as splash lubrication, so viscosity is probably very
important.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158"><br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv83=
09388158" clear=3D"none">
</div>
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">--</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">Max Heim</div>
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ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; rel=3D"nofollow"=
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:13=
AM, Jack Wheeler via
Mgs <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">mgs@aut=
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<br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158Apple-interchange-newline" c=
lear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158">
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;">Does anyone have a good
exploded diagram of the overdrive unit used in a 1971
MGB, that you could send to me? I am particularly
interested in the pump assembly. I changed the oil in
my gearbox this week, using EP 85/90 GL-4 gear oil, as
recommended in a recent article in the MG Driver
magazine.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;"><br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;">While the car was up in
the air, I noticed a leak around the plug which holds
the pump assembly in place. So, I removed the pump,
careful to keep all the pieces in the order in which
they came out. I cleaned everything up, and reinstall=
ed
the pump assembly and plug (part number 466-315 in the
Moss catalog), with a new gasket. I thought I had all
of the pieces of the pump assembly (items 62-66 in the
Moss diagram) in the right order when I reinstalled it,
but when I took the car out for a test drive, the
overdrive would not engage.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;"><br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;">In addition to trying to
keep the pieces in the order in which they came out, I
also used the exploded diagram in the Moss catalog (Page
41) as a guide. The Moss diagram, however, is differe=
nt
than my overdrive unit. Moss says their diagram is fo=
r
cars from 1968 to 1980, but apparently, some things were
changed during that time frame. I can't believe the
engineers would let anything go unchanged for 12 years!&nbs=
p;
It looks like the plunger (Moss part number 466-305)
shown in the Moss catalog diagram has a roller on the
end of it. My plunger does not have a roller on the e=
nd
of it. Maybe this will give you a lead to which diagr=
am
I am looking for.<br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" cle=
ar=3D"none">
</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;"><br class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158" clear=3D"none">
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wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;">So, that leaves me looking
for a good exploded diagram of the unit used in a 1971
model. Can anyone help with that, or does anyone have
any suggestions as to what I might have done to make the
overdrive not work, when it has always worked fine.
Thanks.</div>
<div class=3D"ydpb2596ea4yiv8309388158ydp626bf091yahoo-style-=
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