THAT MAY BE THE YOUR LOGIC BUT IT S A MYTH.....IT IS NOT THE
WAY THE ENGINE WORKS PERIOD! PLEASE READ MOST OF THE
PREVIOUS POSTS I SENT ON HOW THIS THING WORKS THERE OUGHT TO
BE ABOUT 50 OF THEM...
DAVE DAHLGREN
Richard Fox wrote:
>
> I know this is a mistake but, As I remember it the logic for the X3 for
> rotaries is that they have 3 chambers that roughly relate to cylinders in a
> reciprocating engine. Each chamber fires once on one rotation of the rotor.
> So the volume of one chamber is measured at the greatest displacement and
> than multiplied by 3. As it would be done with a 3 cylinder recip. No
> handicap or advantage is allowed for two of four stroke engines that I am
> aware of. Its simply the volume of the thing without regard to efficiency.
> Dan can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think SCTA differentiates
> between 2 and 4 stroke engines or ones that go up and down and ones that go
> round and round. Rich Fox
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, January 04, 2001 09:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
>
> >Keith & list,
> >
> >Of course you have a vote! Now with the internet more than ever. We have
> >covered this before but, for the new people here we go.
> >
> >There is available at each SCTA/BNI/USFRA meet a Rule Change form. This is
> >in the registration/impound area. It is not a requirement that this form be
> >used.
> >
> >There is published in the rule book a rule change cutoff date, this is
> >usually the end of October. This gives me time to collect all the requests,
> >put them into order and prepare the rules committee members for up coming
> >meetings. We generally have two meetings in November to discuss and
> >formulate proposed rules changes.
> >
> >I then put these changes into the format they will appear in the rulebook
> to
> >present to the Board of Directors for voting at the first meeting in
> >December. This will ensure that the rulebook can be published in January.
> >
> >There is a published list of Committee Chairpersons in the SCTA newsletter,
> >the Straightaway News. These people can be contacted for any rules
> >clarifications or suggested change input. The head tech persons for 2001
> >will again be Steve Batchelor for cars and Dale Martin for motorcycles.
> >Their contact information can be found in the 2000 rulebook. If they cannot
> >answer a question they can point you to the correct committee for a more
> >detailed explanation. All committee and board persons are unpaid
> volunteers.
> >Unfortunately we cannot force a volunteer to become internet active.
> >
> >With the advent of the internet and this list our little world has become
> >ever smaller. Way back in the '70s when I started LSR the rules were done
> in
> >one night by two people from Southern Cal. and approved without question.
> >
> >Our rules committee now has representation from each category, Special
> >Construction, Vintage, etc., the USFRA and the ECTA. Through email ideas
> can
> >be freely exchanged and valuable input from the entrants evaluated.
> >
> >Plans are being formulated for 2001 to improve the process by addressing
> >each suggestion as it is proposed and becoming proactive. We will put all
> >valid change suggestions out to committee for review as it comes in. This
> >way the suggested change can become a solid recommendation with input from
> >the originator and other interested parties.
> >
> >When making a change suggestion it is helpful that you do some research.
> >Indicate the old rule and why you think it should be changed with
> >suggestions as to how it should be changed.
> >
> >I think I have run on enough - if there any questions pertaining to the
> >rules process, please feel free to post them.
> >
> >Dan Warner
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> >To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>; Lee
> >Kennedy <leekenn@pacbell.net>; Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>; Mike
> >Manghelli <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> >
> >
> >> Dave I really don't have a dog in this fight... But I would like to see
> >some
> >> of the questions you posed answered....
> >>
> >> Like how do I change a Rule? What are the Procedures? Who do I contact?
> >> What do I have to Write? What Proof has to be Given of my claim?
> >>
> >> And in My humble opinion..... DO WE HAVE A VOICE?
> >>
> >> I think all concerned here agree that the whole Bonneville Experience is
> >an
> >> Amatuer and Volunteer effort.... As such do the folks seeking records on
> >the
> >> salt have a Voice? Can we submit and or seek changes to the rules... and
> >if
> >> we do can we expect a fair and honest appraisal of our words? I think
> >it's
> >> important to the health of our sport...
> >>
> >> Keith Turk
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> >> To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>; "Lee Kennedy" <leekenn@pacbell.net>;
> "Dan
> >> Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>; "Mike Cook" <beauty1@hughes.net>;
> "Mike
> >> Manghelli" <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:06 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> >>
> >>
> >> > To all that might be interested...
> >> > It's been over 24 hrs... Not a word although 178 previous
> >> > e-mails on the subject not counting the ones i wrote.... Not
> >> > even a public show of hands from people here that are in
> >> > support, against and or think this needs to be addressed..
> >> > message received.. I have my own theories as to why it is so
> >> > quiet on this subject, but in general for peace and harmony
> >> > and good will to all i think the wise thing to do is just
> >> > keep them to myself. everybody have a good day, stand tall
> >> > if you can and if you can't, avoid mirrors as they never
> >> > lie.
> >> > Dave Dahlgren (where it is 8:00 am EST)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > It has been said that there is a rules meeting in Jan. What
> >> > > do I have to do to bring up a rules change for the
> >> > > Wankel(aka rotary) engine size factor for serious
> >> > > discussion? It has been e-mailed to death all over this
> >> > > group and to many individuals with all sorts of information
> >> > > to support it. can this be done via e-mail? if so to whom? i
> >> > > honestly think that waiting another year is a complete
> >> > > dis-service to the members of the LSR community that are
> >> > > interested or might consider building a car that uses on of
> >> > > these cheap and readily available power plants.
> >> > >
> >> > > So how is it done?
> >> > > Can it be done?
> >> > > Can it be done by phone or fax or e-mail?
> >> > > Is there any interest in changing this rule?
> >> > > Is there any information lacking that has not been passed
> >> > > around on the net?
> >> > > Does anyone that makes the rules have any questions at all
> >> > > or is there any info that I have left out in all the
> >> > > e-mails?
> >> > > Out of the people that have been included in this e-mail is
> >> > > anyone that helps make these decisions been left out?
> >> > > If so how are they contacted?
> >> > >
> >> > > I am hoping for a free exchange of ideas on this subject
> >> > > with some honest thought involved that is based on facts not
> >> > > history and personal feelings. I personally find it very
> >> > > hard to believe that FIA and SCCA is all screwed up in their
> >> > > use of engine factors of 2.1......... They have very good
> >> > > engineers that work on these subjects on a regular basis and
> >> > > represent both national and inter-national competition.
> >> > >
> >> > > If the answers to the above questions are no there is no
> >> > > interest and there is no desire to change anything or even
> >> > > consider any change for the benefit of the LSR community or
> >> > > to align SCTA with the rest of the world, please do me a
> >> > > small favor, actually two small favors.
> >> > > First is let that feeling be known publicly on the net at
> >> > > this e-mail group accompanied with the reasons why it can
> >> > > not or will not be changed along with the facts that made
> >> > > this decision the correct one.
> >> > >
> >> > > The other favor is small but personal, please leave off any
> >> > > personal attacks. I am not up to another tirade of being
> >> > > called a "Hot Shot wanna-be engineer" or sending out a bunch
> >> > > of crap! I do at times find great humor in it though when i
> >> > > watch Speedvision and ESPN and cars that I have supplied
> >> > > parts, done design work or personally tuned are very busy
> >> > > winning.....
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Dahlgren
|