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Michael/All--
When the term "upgraded" is used in the description of a performance part
the clear implication is that is in some way better than the standard
item.
In terms of AH water pumps that ain't saying much as what we are offered is
very prone to early failure, so I sincerely ask what the "upgrade"
consists of?
Bill Bolton used to offer wp's on an exchange basis and he claimed to have
a better seal, which is often the point of failure on the
standard County pumps.
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:20 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> In my experience "upgraded" is another way of saying " we didn't want to
> pay for the tooling for an accurate reproduction ".
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 7:30 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob--
>>
>> Thanks and in checking the Moss catalogue this morning I see that in fact
>> they do sell the two side-by-side as you state at $96.00 and $163.00
>> respectively. That is an 80% increase in price for the "upgraded" pump and
>> I must wonder what the pump achieves--and how it does it--to justify such
>> an increase. "Upgrade" might have several meanings and given the
>> propensity of these pumps to fail, perhaps the term describes longevity
>> versus performance, with a better-quality seal. OTOH if the upgrade is in
>> performance that usually means increased water flow. Unless the outer
>> housing is substantially larger the cast-in "fins" on the internal impeller
>> cannot be that much larger and so I wonder how such an increase would be
>> achieved.
>>
>> Just sayin'....
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and BPN all appear to be the
>>> same:
>>>
>>> https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html
>>>
>>> (if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the pump body)
>>>
>>> Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a 'but'--per the Moss
>>> catalog it will not fit the OEM brass heater line valve/nipple. The cheaper
>>> one Moss sells supposedly does, but best I can tell it's a County product.
>>> I've bad experiences with County, but both Tom Monaco and David Nock say
>>> they have fit many with no issues.
>>>
>>> The new one from AHSpares appears to be different, but also comes with a
>>> barbed nipple:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> I started to remove my pump, but found the pulley was loose; pump
>>> appears to be OK.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2021 7:26 PM, Michael Oritt wrote:
>>>
>>> AsI recall Moss is or was selling "Upgraded" water pumps.
>>> Does anyone know what the "upgrade" consists of?
>>> Bob, if you buy one I hope you will post what your appraisal and
>>> experience with the part is--for now I have come to0 regard the pumps we
>>> are offered as "wear items".
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 9:42 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. The one Bastuck is selling appears to be the 'upgraded' pump
>>>> AHSpares is selling.
>>>>
>>>> It appears my pump is OK, the pulley had just come loose. Thanks for
>>>> the tips, guys.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> On 8/28/2021 10:21 AM, gradea1@charter.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> AH Spares, UK is currently advertising water pumps for BN1-2s in the AH
>>>> Magazine- they show their pump in the ad. Good folks to work with. Hank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best--Michael
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Micha=
el/All--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">When the term "=
upgraded" is used in the description of a performance part the clear i=
mplication is that is in some way better than the standard item.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">In terms of A=
H water pumps that ain't saying much=C2=A0as what we are offered is ver=
y prone to early failure, so I sincerely ask what the "upgrade" c=
onsists=C2=A0of?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:#3333ff">Bill Bolton used to offer wp's on an exchange=C2=A0basis an=
d he claimed to have a better seal, which is often the point=C2=A0of failur=
e on the standard=C2=A0County=C2=A0pumps.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 29, =
2021 at 8:20 AM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">In my experience "upgraded=
" is another way of saying " we didn't want to pay for the to=
oling for an accurate reproduction ".<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 7:30 a.m. Michael Oritt via Hea=
leys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">heale=
ys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255)">Bob--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,255)">Thanks and in checking the Moss catalogue=C2=A0this morning I see=
that in fact they do sell the two side-by-side as you=C2=A0state at $96.00=
and $163.00 respectively.=C2=A0 That is an 80% increase in price for the &=
quot;upgraded" pump and I must wonder what the pump achieves--and how =
it does it--to justify such an increase.=C2=A0 "Upgrade" might ha=
ve several meanings and given the propensity of these pumps to fail, perhap=
s the=C2=A0term describes longevity versus performance, with a better-quali=
ty seal.=C2=A0 OTOH if the upgrade is in performance that usually means inc=
reased water=C2=A0flow.=C2=A0 Unless the outer housing is substantially lar=
ger the cast-in "fins" on the internal impeller cannot be that mu=
ch larger and=C2=A0so I wonder how such an increase would be achieved.</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Just sayin'....=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:b=
spidell@comcast.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.=
net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
Michael,<br>
<br>
The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and BPN all appear to=
be
the same:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.ht=
ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-=
pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html</a><br>
<br>
(if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the pump body)<br>
<br>
Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a 'but'=
--per the Moss
catalog it will not fit the OEM brass heater line valve/nipple. The
cheaper one Moss sells supposedly does, but best I can tell it's a
County product. I've bad experiences with County, but both Tom
Monaco and David Nock say they have fit many with no issues.<br>
<br>
The new one from AHSpares appears to be different, but also comes
with a barbed nipple:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heat=
ing-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-hea=
ley/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.=
aspx</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I started to remove my pump, but found the pulley was loose; pump
appears to be OK.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/28/2021 7:26 PM, Michael Oritt
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">AsI rec=
all Moss
is or was selling "Upgraded" water=C2=A0pumps.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Does an=
yone
know what the "upgrade" consists of?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Bob, if=
you buy
one I hope you will post what your appraisal and experience
with=C2=A0the part is--for now I have come to0 regard the pumps w=
e
are offered as "wear items".</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 9:42
PM Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> Thanks. The one Bastuck is selling appears to be the
'upgraded' pump AHSpares is selling.<br>
<br>
It appears my pump is OK, the pulley had just come loose.
Thanks for the tips, guys.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/28/2021 10:21 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.n=
et" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">gradea1@charter.net</a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> AH Spares, UK is currently
advertising water pumps for BN1-2s in the AH Magazine-
they show their pump in the ad. Good folks to work with.
Hank<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
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><font color=3D"#3333ff">Best--Michael</font></div>
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