fot
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Fot] "Vernier" Adjustable Cam Sprocket

To: Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] "Vernier" Adjustable Cam Sprocket
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:04:59 -0400
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: fot@autox.team.net
References: <1016328690.5886988.1727093861085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1016328690.5886988.1727093861085@mail.yahoo.com> <1437120949.11419392.1727094959854@mail.yahoo.com> engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1051,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.60.29 definitions=2024-09-23_05,2024-09-23_01,2024-09-02_01 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2409230096
--===============8361537115358137878==
        boundary="Apple-Mail=_3F819B9C-EC4A-4F4F-96EF-224C5E9E9A0B"


--Apple-Mail=_3F819B9C-EC4A-4F4F-96EF-224C5E9E9A0B
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        charset=utf-8

I use what Richard Good sells - don=E2=80=99t know if he has an =
equivalent for the Tr4.  Never had anything loosen up.  the heads of the =
bolts that attach it to the cam are drilled and wired.

On Sep 23, 2024, at 8:35 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:

Phil,
My two cents (no cash value ). I have used vernier sprockets on my TR3, =
my wife's TR6 and my Bugeye race cars, and haven't had any issues. I =
don't torque them to a specific number since mine are all aluminum, but =
I do Loctite blue the screws. Have never had any slipping or wear =
issues. And the ability to get the cam timing just right is awfully =
nice, especially on the 3 as it's so critical.=20

Cheers,
Jake

On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 07:21:34 AM CDT, vfracing--- via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi all;

After completely and embarassingly blowing cam timing on two consecutive =
engines i bought from Moss a so-called "vernier" adjustable cam timing =
sprocket made by Powertune.  It consists of a hub and sprocket held in =
relative position to each other with 6 Allen head cap screws near the =
periphery of the sprocket.  The cap screws have a fancy machined and =
anodized aluminum washer under them to spread the load. (See picture).

My question/concerns are:

Is this robust enough to hold position?  Is the friction between hub and =
sprocket sufficient? =20

Do the aluminum "washers" hold up or do they creep over time, reducing =
the clamping load and allowing it to slip?

Does anyone have a suggestion for the torque spec on the 6 Allen headed =
cap screws (no specs given with the sprocket) or the hub to cam (book =
says 24 - 26 ft lbs).

Should I assemble this Loctite between the hub and sprocket to keep it =
from slipping?

Or should I send this back and get a more robust unit?  If so, where can =
I get a better one?

Thanks!


Phil Gott


_______________________________________________

http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>

<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive <http://autox.team.net/archive> =
http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot <http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot>
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com>


_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com




--Apple-Mail=_3F819B9C-EC4A-4F4F-96EF-224C5E9E9A0B
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
use what Richard Good sells - don=E2=80=99t know if he has an equivalent =
for the Tr4. &nbsp;Never had anything loosen up. &nbsp;the heads of the =
bolts that attach it to the cam are drilled and wired.<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 23, 2024, at 8:35 =
AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"ydpaaa09c28yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D""></div>=

        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Phil,</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">My two cents (no cash value =
<img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" =
height=3D"16" =
src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f609.png"=
 width=3D"16" style=3D"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" =
data-inlineimagemanipulating=3D"true">). I have used vernier sprockets =
on my TR3, my wife's TR6 and my Bugeye race cars, and haven't had any =
issues. I don't torque them to a specific number since mine are all =
aluminum, but I do Loctite blue the screws. Have never had any slipping =
or wear issues. And the ability to get the cam timing just right is =
awfully nice, especially on the 3 as it's so critical.&nbsp;</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Jake</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydpdf1d6466yahoo_quoted_7592342745" =
class=3D"ydpdf1d6466yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;" class=3D"">
               =20
                <div class=3D"">
                        On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 07:21:34 AM =
CDT, vfracing--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                    </div>
                    <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
                    <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
               =20
               =20
                <div class=3D""><div id=3D"ydpdf1d6466yiv9746831058" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:16px;" =
class=3D"ydpdf1d6466yiv9746831058yahoo-style-wrap"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Hi all;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">After completely and =
embarassingly blowing cam timing on two consecutive engines i bought =
from Moss a so-called "vernier" adjustable cam timing sprocket made by =
Powertune. &nbsp;It consists of a hub and sprocket held in relative =
position to each other with 6 Allen head cap screws near the periphery =
of the sprocket. &nbsp;The cap screws have a fancy machined and anodized =
aluminum washer under them to spread the load. (See picture).</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">My=
 question/concerns are:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
40px;border:none;padding:0px;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Is =
this robust enough to hold position? &nbsp;Is the friction between hub =
and sprocket sufficient? &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Do the aluminum "washers" =
hold up or do they creep over time, reducing the clamping load and =
allowing it to slip?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Does anyone have a =
suggestion for the torque spec on the 6 Allen headed cap screws (no =
specs given with the sprocket) or the hub to cam (book says 24 - 26 ft =
lbs).</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Should I assemble this Loctite between the hub =
and sprocket to keep it from slipping?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Or should I =
send this back and get a more robust unit? &nbsp;If so, where can I get =
a better one?</div></blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Thanks!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Phil Gott</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________=
________<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">Archive: <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com=
</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
            </div>
        </div></div>_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">http://www.fot-racing.com<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Donate: =
http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_3F819B9C-EC4A-4F4F-96EF-224C5E9E9A0B--

--===============8361537115358137878==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot



--===============8361537115358137878==--

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>