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To: Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes@seiri.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Number of logbooks for your car
From: Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:08:57 -0700
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Fun story...

I spent untold hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they we=
ren=E2=80=99t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it.

Thankfully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car.=


Fun part is, I didn=E2=80=99t check the old reg until questioned. Measured t=
he dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thinnest of margins...so=
metimes better to be lucky than good...

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes@seiri.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Keep the old picture! =20
>=20
> The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfire for a vintage organization, t=
hey started hassling me about the fender flares. =20
>=20
> I pulled out the logbook, with it=E2=80=99s Kodak provided date in the bor=
der picture, pointed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on.=20=

>=20
> Bob
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>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=

>>=20
>> Hi Mike,
>> My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from =E2=80=9872, and it was a race car s=
tarting around =E2=80=9865, which corroborates the other suggestions about s=
tart date with the log books.  Every  logbook entry through the 80=E2=80=99s=
 complains about the picture used for the car was out of date- I think Bill T=
hroop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture from the car=E2=80=99=
s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar; compared to the ca=
r as it sat with full flares and wild paint job....  =E2=80=9Cupdate the pic=
ture!!=E2=80=9D  I=E2=80=99m sure Carl, you got a kick out of that too!
>>=20
>> Dave Gott
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>=20
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot <fot@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> Check with the International Motor Racing Research Center in Watkins Glen=
.  I believe they have all of the SCCA archives.   607-535-9044
>> Carl Stenquist
>>=20
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>> SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972.
>>=20
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
>> >=20
>> > Mike,
>> >=20
>> > Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock.
>> >=20
>> > We have a 1962 TR4.  It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log Book. =
=20
>> >=20
>> > We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCC=
A.  We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook.
>> >=20
>> > As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when S=
CCA actually started issuing logbooks.  You may find that the 1971 logbook t=
hat you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even thoug=
h it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who handle=
s all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them.  SV=
RA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know about that=
 or where to direct you to learn more. =20
>> >=20
>> > Paul Ricco
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> >> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
>> >>=20
>> >> Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterday a=
t Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 14 S=
CCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, never a=
 street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while the c=
ar was in it's prime.
>> >>=20
>> >> How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have th=
e original one?=20
>> >> Curious minds want to know.
>> >>=20
>> >> mike h
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Fun story...<div><br></div><div>I spent unt=
old hours crafting a replacement front spoiler to be told they weren=E2=80=99=
t legal. The GCR in 1970 certainly provided for it.<div><br></div><div>Thank=
fully my period photos from 1972 clearly showed the spoiler on the car.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Fun part is, I didn=E2=80=99t check the old reg until q=
uestioned. Measured the dimensions and the spoiler was 1970 legal by the thi=
nnest of margins...sometimes better to be lucky than good...<br><br><div id=3D=
"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:bownes@seiri.com";>bownes@seiri.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-t=
ype" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Keep the old picture! &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The first time I went to tech my GP Spitfir=
e for a vintage organization, they started hassling me about the fender flar=
es. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I pulled out the=
 logbook, with it=E2=80=99s Kodak provided date in the border picture, point=
ed to the flares, pointed to the date, and we moved on.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 20, 20=
19, at 14:52, David Gott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>f=
ot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
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<o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![end=
if]-->
Hi Mike,<div>My 62 TR4 has logbooks starting from =E2=80=9872, and it was a r=
ace car starting around =E2=80=9865, which corroborates the other suggestion=
s about start date with the log books. &nbsp;Every &nbsp;logbook entry throu=
gh the 80=E2=80=99s complains about the picture used for the car was out of d=
ate- I think Bill Throop had fun with the tech inspectors, using a picture f=
rom the car=E2=80=99s first race, with full windshield and barely a roll bar=
; compared to the car as it sat with full flares and wild paint job.... &nbs=
p;=E2=80=9Cupdate the picture!!=E2=80=9D &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m sure Carl, you go=
t a kick out of that too!</div><div><br></div><div>Dave Gott<br><br><br><a h=
ref=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3DiOS";>Sent from Yahoo Mail for=
 iPhone</a><br><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px;=
 color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Saturday, July 20, 201=
9, 1:01 PM, carl stenquist via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=
=3D"yiv0974016593"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Check with the International Motor R=
acing Research Center in Watkins Glen.&nbsp; I believe they have all of the S=
CCA archives.&nbsp; &nbsp;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:607-535-9044" x-apple-d=
ata-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-dat=
a-detectors-result=3D"1">607-535-9044</a><div>Carl Stenquist</div></div><br c=
lear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0974016593gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv09740=
16593yqt3656598395" id=3D"yiv0974016593yqtfd00938"><div class=3D"yiv09740165=
93gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 12:49 PM Brad Eells via Fo=
t &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv09740165=
93gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"yiv0974016593yqt3656598395" id=3D=
"yiv0974016593yqtfd98671">SCCA did not require logbooks until 1972.<br clear=
=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Brad Eells<br clear=3D"none">
Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Paul Ricco via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow"=
 shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D=
"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Mike,<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Hopefully, you enjoyed your day with IMSA at Lime Rock.<br clear=3D"non=
e">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; We have a 1962 TR4.&nbsp; It has 7 logbooks, including a Canadian Log B=
ook.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; We do have the 1st one that was known to be issued for our car from SCC=
A.&nbsp; We now proudly race our TR4 with a SVRA logbook.<br clear=3D"none">=

&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; As for your gap from 1963 through 1971, that may be a function of when S=
CCA actually started issuing logbooks.&nbsp; You may find that the 1971 logb=
ook that you have is actually the 1st one that was issued for your car even t=
hough it was racing before then. You might want to check with someone who ha=
ndles all the historical info for SVRA about when SCCA started issuing them.=
&nbsp; SVRA has been super helpful to us and I would think they would know a=
bout that or where to direct you to learn more.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Paul Ricco<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
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&gt;&gt; On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
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&gt;&gt; Staying out of the heat today after flagging the IMSA race yesterda=
y at Lime Rock and I was going through some of my paperwork. I found I have 1=
4 SCCA logbooks for my 63 Spitfire. I'm missing the original one (1963, neve=
r a street car) through 1971. I'm guessing another 3 or 4 books used while t=
he car was in it's prime.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&gt; How many logbooks do you (FOTers) have for your car(s)? Do you have=
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&gt;&gt; Curious minds want to know.<br clear=3D"none">
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