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Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs

from [Keith Files via Fot] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs
From: Keith Files via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:46:41 +0000
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Hi Brian,

The answer is approximately 20% in both cases.

Keith

> On 22 Nov 2018, at 21:31, Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Happy thanksgiving all. Curious what is the HP loss from the flywheel =
to the wheels. IE what does 292 at the fly equivalent at the wheels?
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> Cheers=20
> Brian=20
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> On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:07 PM, Mike Munson via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an =
idea as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was =
helpful info. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post =
dyno sheets because my HP/Talent ratio is too high!
>=20
> Mike=20
> #28 TR6
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> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone =
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> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Any of you blokes that claim HP numbers need to attach the dyno sheet.=20=

>=20
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> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via Fot =
> Hi Bob,
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> i am pretty sure that Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is =
still available through TR Enterprises here in the UK.
>=20
> I do not know what car you are using (TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is =
probably ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD units in 2 axles for my TR4.
>=20
> However, if you are running a TR6 then I would recommend a Gripper LSD =
as they can handle the extra power and need a lot less maintenance than =
the Salisbury (I swapped out and sold both my Salisbury LSDs for 2 new =
Grippers for my TR6).
>=20
> www.gripperlsd.com <http://www.gripperlsd.com/>
>=20
> Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at the flywheel and my TR6 =
produces 252 bhp at the flywheel.
>=20
> Hope that helps,
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> Keith
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> =20
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>> On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:40, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
>>=20
>> Should be a lot of used carriers around?
>>=20
>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 11:34:42 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot =
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I broke a diff at Thompson back in October and I finally did a =
post-mortem. Looks like a couple of bolts backed out and when the shit =
hit the fan, the 4 or 5 that were still holding on sheared off. In any =
case, lots of metal bits in there. Some of the big pieces bounced around =
in the diff and there's some gouges in the Tran-X center section. The =
question to the group is - assuming that I find no cracks in the center =
section, it it accepted practice to clean off the dings to prevent =
stress risers and re-use it or is this a "tosser".
>>=20
>> Speaking of Tran-X, does anyone sell those now or are we limited to =
Quaife and GKN? I see that Rimmer lists both of those units. To be =
honest, I'm not a fan of Quaife because I have to run the rear a lot =
softer to prevent wheel spin in the tight stuff - that kills my times at =
places like Thompson and Palmer (like 1.5 to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking =
of GKN, I know nothing about them other than "clutch type differential". =
Feel free to chime in if you have experience with those units.
>>=20
>> Also, I am nearly 100% certain that I was using new lock washers and =
Red Loctite high strength thread compound, so the bolts backing out was =
a total surprise when I cracked the case open. I was assuming that the =
pinion head had sheared off based on how the car felt when the diff =
broke. It was BANG and done - box full of neutrals.
>>=20
>> Off topic - looks like I'm not driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply =
from Joe Siam that he has nothing available for that date. Oh well. Look =
like my budget is going to gears and stuff anyway... ;-)
>>=20
>> c ya,
>> Bob Lang
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Brian,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The answer is =
approximately 20% in both cases.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Keith<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 22 =
Nov 2018, at 21:31, Brian Schirano &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; class=3D"">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><!--[if gte mso =
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Happy thanksgiving all. Curious what is the HP loss from the flywheel to =
the wheels. IE what does 292 at the fly equivalent at the wheels?<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">Brian&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3DiOS"; class=3D"">Sent =
from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><p =
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padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:07 =
PM, Mike Munson via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote =
class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8512206554" class=3D""><div class=3D"">
I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an =
idea as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was =
helpful info. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post =
dyno sheets because my HP/Talent ratio is too high!<div class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Mike&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">#28 TR6<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><a rel=3D"nofollow" =
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id=3D"yiv8512206554yqt27022"><p class=3D"yiv8512206554yahoo-quoted-begin" =
style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On =
Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv8512206554iosymail"><div =
id=3D"yiv8512206554" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"yiv8512206554gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small;">Any of you blokes that claim HP numbers need =
to attach the dyno sheet.&nbsp; </div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;"><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div></div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554gmail_quote"><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554yqt7615330447" id=3D"yiv8512206554yqt49905"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via =
Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv8512206554gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;" class=3D"">Hi Bob,<div class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">i am pretty sure that =
Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is still available through TR =
Enterprises here in the UK.</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I do not know what car you are using =
(TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is probably ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD =
units in 2 axles for my TR4.</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">However, if you are running a TR6 then =
I would recommend a Gripper LSD as they can handle the extra power and =
need a lot less maintenance than the Salisbury (I swapped out and sold =
both my Salisbury LSDs for 2 new Grippers for my TR6).</div><div =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.gripperlsd.com/"; =
class=3D"">www.gripperlsd.com</a></div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at =
the flywheel and my TR6 produces 252 bhp at the flywheel.</div><div =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Hope that =
helps,</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Keith</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:40, Jack Wheeler via =
Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671Apple-interchange-newline"><di=
v class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpc7dbbde5yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=3D""></div>
        <div class=3D"">Should be a lot of used carriers around?<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div>
       =20
        </div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyahoo_quoted" =
id=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyahoo_quoted_331989197=
7">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;" class=3D"">
               =20
                <div class=3D"">
                    On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 11:34:42 PM EST, =
Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Hi,</div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I broke a diff at Thompson back in =
October and I finally did a post-mortem. Looks like a couple of bolts =
backed out and when the shit hit the fan, the 4 or 5 that were still =
holding on sheared off. In any case, lots of metal bits in there. Some =
of the big pieces bounced around in the diff and there's some gouges in =
the Tran-X center section. The question to the group is - assuming that =
I find no cracks in the center section, it it accepted practice to clean =
off the dings to prevent stress risers and re-use it or is this a =
"tosser".</div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Speaking of Tran-X, does anyone sell =
those now or are we limited to Quaife and GKN? I see that Rimmer lists =
both of those units. To be honest, I'm not a fan of Quaife because I =
have to run the rear a lot softer to prevent wheel spin in the tight =
stuff - that kills my times at places like Thompson and Palmer (like 1.5 =
to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking of GKN, I know nothing about them other =
than "clutch type differential". Feel free to chime in if you have =
experience with those units.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Also, I am nearly 100% certain that I =
was using new lock washers and Red Loctite high strength thread =
compound, so the bolts backing out was a total surprise when I cracked =
the case open. I was assuming that the pinion head had sheared off based =
on how the car felt when the diff broke. It was BANG and done - box full =
of neutrals.</div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
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class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Off topic - looks like I'm not =
driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply from Joe Siam that he has nothing =
available for that date. Oh well. Look like my budget is going to gears =
and stuff anyway... ;-)</div><div =
class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
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c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
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class=3D"yiv8512206554m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243=
c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
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