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Never really heard that, but consider this: Kerosene is flammable. =
Formula V is "combustible," a technical (and legal) distinction that =
puts it in the same category as the cardboard box it's shipped in, which =
is a distinction that allows it even to be shipped via UPS or FedEx or =
even mailed. Despite some cars' fender decorations, you aren't looking =
for flame, just softness.
--Rocky
----- Original Message -----=20
From: sherry robyn=20
To: Rocky Entriken=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to =
tires as Formula V. Is there anything to that? Jim
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116@att.net>=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any more.
First time I used it I brought back a set of 2-year-old slicks that =
had gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth left, took about =
2/3 of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to cord.
3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting about 9 am and =
going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes a weekend =
racer working in the evenings, not a professional race team crew member. =
It also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed. Need to =
let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny wet any more) before the next =
one. When they're "done", even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs =
off and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They may still feel =
"greasy" for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put =
the car on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can give =
them one coat at the track overnight after it's been run that day, but =
no more (you're also working with freshly scrubbed tires, which allows =
the FVTT to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, =
it's not one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse it.
Once you've got the tires done the first time, it needs just 3-4 coats =
between events and shortly before next event -- assuming "between" means =
2-4 weeks and not next year.
I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a restorer. It won't make =
your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire back to =
it's original durometer specs.
I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I retired =
I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =
who's a friend).=20
--Rocky
----- Original Message -----=20
From: sherry robyn=20
To: Rocky Entriken=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
Rocky, how many coats did you put on before a weekend? Formula V =
directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days. Did you do more than =
this? I've put on lots of coats with limited success but maybe I =
stopped short. The Formula V directions also say to wait 48 hours =
before racing so I have not done subsequent coats for a two day event. =
When you say one coat to refresh them, I could see that this might work. =
The directions had me not going there. Jim
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
To: Robert M. Lang <lang@isis.mit.edu>; Scott Janzen =
<Janzen@REcatalyst.com>=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many years (retired now) =
and still use it. My experience is people who said the tires went off =
didn't do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a hard dried sponge, =
infuse it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice =
mine until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any more =
(paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one =
coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost =
always used my tires until the cord showed up.
--Rocky Entriken
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" =
<lang@isis.mit.edu>
To: "Scott Janzen" <Janzen@REcatalyst.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:
>=20
>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler =
TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires. =
There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as =
you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a =
few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). =
Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a =
new set of Hoosiers? Not going vintage at this point - with the =
suspension setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car =
as it is.
>>=20
>> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =
them for a bit longer or have they aged out?
>=20
> You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't get =
optimal performance from the tires. The other problem is that after you =
"juice" the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going off. =
Or at least that's my experience.
>=20
> If you want tires on a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 =
compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have some.
>=20
> regards,
> rml
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Never really heard that, but consider this: Kerosene =
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puts it in the same category as the cardboard box it's shipped in, which =
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<DIV><SPAN>Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the =
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[Fot] cantilever slicks<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any=20
more.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>First time I used it I brought back a set of =
2-year-old=20
slicks that had gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth =
left, took=20
about 2/3 of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to =
cord.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats =
starting about 9=20
am and going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes =
a=20
weekend racer working in the evenings, not a professional race team =
crew=20
member. It also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed.=20
</FONT><FONT size=3D2>Need to let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny =
wet any=20
more) before the next one. When they're "done", even if the tire isn't =
shiny=20
wet it just runs off and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They =
may=20
still feel "greasy" for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I =
won't even=20
put the car on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can =
give them=20
one coat at the track overnight <U>after</U> it's been run that day, =
but no=20
more (you're also working with fr</FONT><FONT size=3D2>eshly scrubbed =
tires,=20
which allows the FVTT to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from =
the=20
FVTT guy, it's not one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse=20
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Once you've got the tires done the first time, it =
needs just=20
3-4 coats between events and shortly before next event -- assuming =
"between"=20
means 2-4 weeks and not next year.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a =
restorer. It=20
won't make your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any =
tire=20
back to it's original durometer specs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe =
in it. When=20
I retired I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave=20
Whitworth, who's a friend). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>--Rocky</FONT></DIV>
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Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Rocky, how many coats did you put on before a =
weekend? =20
Formula V directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days. Did =
you do=20
more than this? <VAR id=3Dyiv274816783yui-ie-cursor></VAR>I've =
put on=20
lots of coats with limited success but maybe I stopped short. =
The=20
Formula V directions also say to wait 48 hours before racing so =
I have=20
not done subsequent coats for a two day event. When you say =
one coat=20
to refresh them, I could see that this might work. The =
directions had=20
me not going there. Jim</SPAN></DIV>
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<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'Friends of =
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<DIV class=3Dyiv274816783y_msg_container><BR>Formula V -- I used to =
sell the=20
stuff for many years (retired now) and still use it. My experience =
is people=20
who said the tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the =
tire is=20
like a hard dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liquid =
and it's=20
soft again. I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just would =
not=20
soak in any more (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For =
multi-day=20
events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh =
them.=20
Almost always used my tires until the cord showed up.<BR><BR>--Rocky =
Entriken<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" =
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slicks<BR><BR><BR>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the =
ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler=20
TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new=20
tires. There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles =
(23x9x15),=20
but as you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and =
haven't for a=20
few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date =
codes).=20
Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring =
for a new=20
set of Hoosiers? Not going vintage at this point - with the =
suspension=20
setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it=20
is.<BR>>> <BR>>> I don't have any experience with tires =
like=20
this . . . can I milk them for a bit longer or have they aged =
out?<BR>>=20
<BR>> You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't =
get=20
optimal performance from the tires. The other problem is that after =
you=20
"juice" the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going =
off. Or=20
at least that's my experience.<BR>> <BR>> If you want tires on =
a=20
budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. =
The used=20
tires guys usually have some.<BR>> <BR>> regards,<BR>> =
rml<BR>>=20
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