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I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any more.
First time I used it I brought back a set of 2-year-old slicks that had =
gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth left, took about 2/3 =
of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to cord.
3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting about 9 am and going =
to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes a weekend racer =
working in the evenings, not a professional race team crew member. It =
also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed. Need to let =
one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny wet any more) before the next one. =
When they're "done", even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs off =
and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They may still feel "greasy" =
for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put the car =
on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can give them one =
coat at the track overnight after it's been run that day, but no more =
(you're also working with freshly scrubbed tires, which allows the FVTT =
to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, it's not =
one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse it.
Once you've got the tires done the first time, it needs just 3-4 coats =
between events and shortly before next event -- assuming "between" means =
2-4 weeks and not next year.
I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a restorer. It won't make your =
street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire back to it's =
original durometer specs.
I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I retired I =
passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =
who's a friend).=20
--Rocky
----- Original Message -----=20
From: sherry robyn=20
To: Rocky Entriken=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
Rocky, how many coats did you put on before a weekend? Formula V =
directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days. Did you do more than =
this? I've put on lots of coats with limited success but maybe I =
stopped short. The Formula V directions also say to wait 48 hours =
before racing so I have not done subsequent coats for a two day event. =
When you say one coat to refresh them, I could see that this might work. =
The directions had me not going there. Jim
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
To: Robert M. Lang <lang@isis.mit.edu>; Scott Janzen =
<Janzen@REcatalyst.com>=20
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many years (retired now) and =
still use it. My experience is people who said the tires went off didn't =
do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a hard dried sponge, infuse =
it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice mine =
until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any more (paint on =
a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat (and =
ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always used =
my tires until the cord showed up.
--Rocky Entriken
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" =
<lang@isis.mit.edu>
To: "Scott Janzen" <Janzen@REcatalyst.com>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:
>=20
>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 =
for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires. =
There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as =
you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a =
few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). =
Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a =
new set of Hoosiers? Not going vintage at this point - with the =
suspension setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car =
as it is.
>>=20
>> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =
them for a bit longer or have they aged out?
>=20
> You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't get =
optimal performance from the tires. The other problem is that after you =
"juice" the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going off. =
Or at least that's my experience.
>=20
> If you want tires on a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 =
compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have some.
>=20
> regards,
> rml
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>First time I used it I brought back a set of =
2-year-old slicks=20
that had gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth left, took =
about 2/3=20
of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to =
cord.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting =
about 9 am=20
and going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes a =
weekend=20
racer working in the evenings, not a professional race team crew member. =
It also=20
works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed. </FONT><FONT =
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to let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny wet any more) before the =
next one.=20
When they're "done", even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs off =
and onto=20
the ground (or your catch bucket). They may still feel "greasy" for a =
day or so,=20
which is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put the car on the =
ground/trailer for=20
2 days). It's also why you can give them one coat at the track overnight =
<U>after</U> it's been run that day, but no more (you're also working =
with=20
fr</FONT><FONT size=3D2>eshly scrubbed tires, which allows the FVTT to =
soak in=20
more easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, it's not one he =
advertises=20
because it's too easy to misuse it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Once you've got the tires done the first time, it =
needs just=20
3-4 coats between events and shortly before next event -- assuming =
"between"=20
means 2-4 weeks and not next year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a =
restorer. It won't=20
make your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire =
back to=20
it's original durometer specs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in =
it. When I=20
retired I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave =
Whitworth,=20
who's a friend). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>--Rocky</FONT></DIV>
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robyn</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 18, =
2013 4:33=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] cantilever=20
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<DIV><SPAN>Rocky, how many coats did you put on before a =
weekend? =20
Formula V directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days. Did you =
do more=20
than this? <VAR id=3Dyui-ie-cursor></VAR>I've put on lots of =
coats with=20
limited success but maybe I stopped short. The Formula V =
directions=20
also say to wait 48 hours before racing so I have not done =
subsequent=20
coats for a two day event. When you say one coat to refresh =
them, I=20
could see that this might work. The directions had me not going=20
there. Jim</SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Robert M. Lang=20
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<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'Friends of =
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Triumph <fot@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN=20
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cantilever slicks<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dy_msg_container><BR>Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff =
for many=20
years (retired now) and still use it. My experience is people who said =
the=20
tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a =
hard=20
dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft =
again.=20
I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in =
any more=20
(paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, =
one coat=20
(and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always =
used my=20
tires until the cord showed up.<BR><BR>--Rocky Entriken<BR><BR>----- =
Original=20
Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:lang@isis.mit.edu"=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:lang@isis.mit.edu";>lang@isis.mit.edu</A>><BR>To: =
"Scott=20
Janzen" <<A href=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcatalyst.com"=20
=
ymailto=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcatalyst.com";>Janzen@REcatalyst.com</A>><BR=
>Cc:=20
"'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <<A =
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ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A>><BR>Sent:=
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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever =
slicks<BR><BR><BR>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the =
ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler=20
TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new =
tires. =20
There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as =
you=20
might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a few =
years,=20
so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). Should I =
soften=20
them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of=20
Hoosiers? Not going vintage at this point - with the suspension =
setup,=20
the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it =
is.<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . =
can I milk=20
them for a bit longer or have they aged out?<BR>> <BR>> You can =
get away=20
with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal performance =
from the=20
tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, you get =
only a=20
few laps before they start going off. Or at least that's my=20
experience.<BR>> <BR>> If you want tires on a budget, try using =
some=20
cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually =
have=20
some.<BR>> <BR>> regards,<BR>> rml<BR>>=20
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