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Is you is, or is you ain't on the line?=20
Assuming that you have clearly signaled your intention by waving someone =
around can be a problem if the overtaking car doesn't see the wave, or =
if he's is already committed to the line. Without having been there, =
it's unclear to me what the "red 2002" perceived as he approached the =
slower car saw in front of him. Moving "a bit to the right" and being =
"pretty close to the line" may have communicated very mixed signals to =
others who are halfway through a green flag session - even if it is just =
a morning warm up to some.=20
Carroll Smith always talked about carrying a spare set of brake pads in =
his brief case that he had bedded on a test day just so he never had to =
worry about it on a race weekend. That's not to say that you can't =
(carefully) bed brakes or heat cycle (and cool)sticker tires during a =
hot session, but do your best to make your intentions obvious and stay =
the hell outta the fast line as much as you can. Even that can be =
tricky when you're transiting through connected left-right corners like =
esses. =20
Dave Talbott
----- Original Message -----=20
From: quicktr4=20
To: Bill Babcock=20
Cc: 'FOT' ; britbits@netzero.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
a point around is mearly an idication the driver is aware of your =
presence and leaving the pass to you. of course he is going to drive the =
line. yo have to pass in a safe maner.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Babcock=20
To: Bill Babcock=20
Cc: 'FOT' ; britbits@netzero.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
I reread everything to see If I'm just being a jerk, and I come away =
convinced that while I might be a jerk, I'm right. Steven says " A red =
2002 is approaching me and I waved him to the left and moved to the =
right a little bit, while staying pretty close to the
line." OK, that sounds really, really, really bad to me. =20
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
Actually, it all comes down to whether or not you are at racing =
speed--your racing speed. You are not required or expected to move off =
the line if you are at speed. In fact it's a really bad idea. The =
overtaking drivers expect you to hold to your line, and he is =
responsible for managing the pass in a safe manner. What Steven was =
talking about is being on the line when he was NOT at racing speed, in =
other words, when he did not need to be there. And in any racing =
organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are NOT supposed to be on the =
line then. =20
Bedding your brakes and breaking your engine in on line is not =
safe nor is it wise driving. People coming up behind you may not be able =
to go where you point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I bet =
that guy didn't go into the dirt because he wanted to.=20
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Jim wrote:
I understand the intent....
When I went through my drivers school in a vintage race group, =
the understanding was that you "drove the line". If someone wanted to =
pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to make a safe pass.
Or is responsibility not a word to mention in this forum?
One of the other racers shared an anecdote of "moving off line" =
to allow easier passing.. and having a racer come in after that session =
and give him a new oriface for violating the basic rule.
When I was active in Vintage I was in a close cockpit car (Mini =
Cooper S) so giving hand signals was difficult. But my expectation was =
that if I was signalling right.. the overtaking car should use that =
information in order to make a safe pass.
I guess it's something that needs to be discussed with each =
vintage group and a consensus formed before racers go on track. If the =
rule is "stay on the line" then one set of rule apply. If it's "if =
you're not at speed pick a different line" that also needs to be agreed =
before cars hit the track.
It all comes down to communication.
Cheers,
Jim
Dallas
too many toys, not enough $$$
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From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:51 PM
To: britbits@netzero.com
Cc: 'FOT'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
You may not like this answer, so here's your opportunity to =
delete before reading.=20
I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in the =
"douchebag's position before, when some guy traveling at a speed that =
did NOT NEED to be at the line, pointed me by while I was traveling at =
full chat--and pointed me into a place I did not want to go. So my =
question is, if you were traveling that slowly, why were you "pretty =
close to the line"? The line is where you need to be when you need to be =
there, in other words, when you are at speed and it's the only safe way =
through a corner. If you are driving to the line, you don't need to be =
there. If the line is the only place that the laws of physics permit =
your car to be, then you do.=20
There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting "if =
you are not at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago this =
guy who drove a car at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I always =
passed him so closely. I, and the entire race group, generally lapped =
him at least twice, sometimes three times. He was driving the line, =
precisely. Just where his driving instructor told him to drive. And he =
never deviated from the line. I considered him the most dangerous thing =
I would encounter in any day on the the track. I was thrilled when he =
quit "racing". In contrast, when you come up on a gaggle of FV's =
battling it out, they might be 20 MPH slower than you, but they need to =
be where they are. Nothing but respect for that, lift and wait.=20
If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only safe =
path through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up behind you =
can't tuck in behind and wait for you to finish a corner--they'd have to =
stand on their brakes to do that, and that's dangerous in any racing =
condition. As Burt Levy might say, the other driver was to blame, but =
you are responsible.=20
We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows with =
picnics. Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed you =
don't belong anywhere near the racing line.=20
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:
Steven,
Unfortunately they use the "r" word when describing vintage =
events... so
some of the "kids" who loved Pole Position or the different PC =
games feel
they need to drive like a jerk to be a "racer". Or maybe they =
saw "Days of
Thunder" once too often ;)
Aside from keeping an eye on the mirrors, it's probably not a =
bad idea to
install an in car camera. Next time.. grab an official and =
show them the
video. It's kind of hard to argue against a video.
Cheers,
Jim
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steven Belfer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:24 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
Speaking of dangerous driving situations, two weekends ago I =
raced at
Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had new brakes that needed bedding. =
This meant I
needed to heat up my brakes in the first practice session, let =
them cool so
I could have good braking power for the rest of the weekend. =
I was in the
first group so at 8:30am, I told the proper official-type guys =
what I needed
to do and started in the back. I'm also running a fresh =
engine and feeling
that out as well. Anyway, after about 3 or 4 laps I'm just =
about done
bedding the brakes and I'm about to get lapped. This is the =
first "Warm-up"
session of the weekend. A red 2002 is approaching me and I =
waved him to the
left and moved to the right a little bit, while staying pretty =
close to the
line. Next thing I know the guy is passing me on the right ON =
THE DIRT at
full speed. He re-entered the track, got a little squirrelly, =
threw some
rocks onto my car and kept going. This guy was racing hard =
with a yellow
P1800 and not letting up one bit. He didn't want to sacrifice =
his lap time
when overtaking me. The level of aggression took me by =
surprise and made me
angry. It was, after all the morning warm-up and I truly did =
my best to get
my job done safely and get off =20
the race track. I tell my friends and family, when they ask =
if it's =20
dangerous, "You see, it's a gentlemen's sport and there's no =
prize money."
I would say that most of the drivers are safe and respectful =
of their
machines and their abilities but all it takes is one douchebag =
move and
you're in big trouble
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is you is, or is you ain't on the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Assuming that you have clearly signaled =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carroll Smith always talked about =
carrying=20
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test=20
day just so he never had to worry about it on a race weekend. =
That's=20
not to say that you can't (carefully) bed brakes or heat cycle (and =
cool)sticker tires during a hot session, but do your best =
to make=20
your intentions obvious and stay the hell outta the fast line as =
much as=20
you can. Even that can be tricky when you're transiting through =
connected=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave Talbott</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dquicktr4@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:quicktr4@comcast.net";>quicktr4</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3DBillb@bnj.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'FOT'</A> ; <A =
title=3Dbritbits@netzero.com=20
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, =
2008 10:44=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding =
Brakes,=20
dangerous driving</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a point around is mearly an idication =
the driver=20
is aware of your presence and leaving the pass to you. of course he is =
going=20
to drive the line. yo have to pass in a safe maner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DBillb@bnj.com href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill =
Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3DBillb@bnj.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'FOT'</A> ; <A =
title=3Dbritbits@netzero.com=20
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 25, =
2008 9:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding =
Brakes,=20
dangerous driving</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>I =
reread everything=20
to see If I'm just being a jerk, and I come away convinced that =
while I=20
might be a jerk, I'm right. Steven says " A red 2002 is=20
approaching me and I waved him to the left and moved to the =
right a=20
little bit, while staying pretty close to the<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>line." OK, that sounds really, really, really bad to me. =
=20
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV=20
style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space">Actually,=20
it all comes down to whether or not you are at racing speed--your =
racing=20
speed. You are not required or expected to move off the line if =
you are at=20
speed. In fact it's a really bad idea. The overtaking drivers =
expect you=20
to hold to your line, and he is responsible for managing the pass =
in a=20
safe manner. What Steven was talking about is being on the line =
when he=20
was NOT at racing speed, in other words, when he did not need to =
be there.=20
And in any racing organization--vintage, SCCA or F1, you are NOT =
supposed=20
to be on the line then. =20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bedding your brakes and breaking your engine in on line is =
not safe=20
nor is it wise driving. People coming up behind you may not be =
able to go=20
where you point them. I wasn't there so I couldn't say, but I bet =
that guy=20
didn't go into the dirt because he wanted to. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 PM, Jim wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV=20
style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I understand the =
intent....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>When I went through my drivers school =
in a vintage=20
race group, the understanding was that you "drove the =
line". If=20
someone wanted to pass you, it was their RESPONSIBILITY to =
make a=20
safe pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Or is responsibility not a word to =
mention in this=20
forum?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>One of the other racers shared an =
anecdote of=20
"moving off line" to allow easier passing.. and having a racer =
come in=20
after that session and give him a new oriface for violating the =
basic=20
rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>When I was active in Vintage I was in a =
close=20
cockpit car (Mini Cooper S) so giving hand signals was=20
difficult. But my expectation was that if I was =
signalling=20
right.. the overtaking car should use that information in order =
to make=20
a safe pass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I guess it's something that needs to be =
discussed=20
with each vintage group and a consensus formed before racers go =
on=20
track. If the rule is "stay on the line" then one set of =
rule=20
apply. If it's "if you're not at speed pick a =
different=20
line" that also needs to be agreed before cars hit the=20
track.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It all comes down to=20
communication.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Dallas</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D484395603-26092008><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>too many toys, not enough=20
$$$</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill Babcock<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, =
September 25,=20
2008 10:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</=
B>=20
'FOT'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous=20
driving<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>You may not like this answer, so here's your =
opportunity to=20
delete before reading.=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I, and I'll bet many other people in the FOT, have been in =
the=20
"douchebag's position before, when some guy traveling at a speed =
that=20
did NOT NEED to be at the line, pointed me by while I was =
traveling at=20
full chat--and pointed me into a place I did not want to go. So =
my=20
question is, if you were traveling that slowly, why =
were you=20
"pretty close to the line"? The line is where you need to be =
when you=20
need to be there, in other words, when you are at speed and it's =
the=20
only safe way through a corner. If you are <SPAN =
class=3DApple-style-span=20
style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline">driving</SPAN> to the line, =
you don't=20
need to be there. If the line is the only place that the laws of =
physics=20
permit your car to be, then you do. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There's a reason why they say in any good driver's meeting =
"if you=20
are not at racing speed, get off the line". Several years ago =
this guy=20
who drove a car at what I considered 3/10s asked me why I always =
passed=20
him so closely. I, and the entire race group, generally lapped =
him at=20
least twice, sometimes three times. He was driving the line, =
precisely.=20
Just where his driving instructor told him to drive. And he =
never=20
deviated from the line. I considered him the most dangerous =
thing I=20
would encounter in any day on the the track. I was thrilled when =
he quit=20
"racing". In contrast, when you come up on a gaggle of FV's =
battling it=20
out, they might be 20 MPH slower than you, but they need to be =
where=20
they are. Nothing but respect for that, lift and=20
wait. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If you aren't at the limit, then you are blocking the only =
safe=20
path through the course at speed. the guys who are coming up =
behind you=20
can't tuck in behind and wait for you to finish a corner--they'd =
have to=20
stand on their brakes to do that, and that's dangerous in any =
racing=20
condition. As Burt Levy might say, the other driver was to =
blame, but=20
you are responsible. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We really DO call this racing. Vintage events are car shows =
with=20
picnics. Vintage races are races. If you are not at racing speed =
you=20
don't belong anywhere near the racing line. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Jim wrote:</DIV><BR=20
class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV>Steven,<BR><BR>Unfortunately they use the "r" word when=20
describing vintage events... so<BR>some of the "kids" who =
loved Pole=20
Position or the different PC games feel<BR>they need to drive =
like a=20
jerk to be a "racer". Or maybe they saw "Days =
of<BR>Thunder"=20
once too often ;)<BR><BR>Aside from keeping an eye on the =
mirrors,=20
it's probably not a bad idea to<BR>install an in car camera.=20
Next time.. grab an official and show them the<BR>video. =
It's kind of hard to argue against a=20
=
video.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Jim<BR>Dallas<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net</A>]=20
On<BR>Behalf Of Steven Belfer<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 25, =
2008=20
6:24 PM<BR>To: FOT<BR>Subject: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous =
driving<BR><BR>Speaking of dangerous driving situations, =
two=20
weekends ago I raced at<BR>Buttonwillow in my TR3. I had =
new=20
brakes that needed bedding. This meant I<BR>needed to =
heat up my=20
brakes in the first practice session, let them cool so<BR>I =
could have=20
good braking power for the rest of the weekend. I was in =
the<BR>first group so at 8:30am, I told the proper =
official-type guys=20
what I needed<BR>to do and started in the back. I'm also =
running=20
a fresh engine and feeling<BR>that out as well. Anyway, =
after=20
about 3 or 4 laps I'm just about done<BR>bedding the brakes =
and I'm=20
about to get lapped. This is the first =
"Warm-up"<BR>session of=20
the weekend. A red 2002 is approaching me and I waved =
him to=20
the<BR>left and moved to the right a little bit, while staying =
pretty=20
close to the<BR>line. Next thing I know the guy is =
passing me on=20
the right ON THE DIRT at<BR>full speed. He re-entered the =
track, got a=20
little squirrelly, threw some<BR>rocks onto my car and kept =
going.=20
This guy was racing hard with a yellow<BR>P1800 and not =
letting=20
up one bit. He didn't want to sacrifice his lap =
time<BR>when=20
overtaking me. The level of aggression took me by =
surprise and=20
made me<BR>angry. It was, after all the morning warm-up =
and I=20
truly did my best to get<BR>my job done safely and get off=20
<BR>the race track. I tell my friends and =
family,=20
when they ask if it's <BR>dangerous, "You see, it's a=20
gentlemen's sport and there's no prize money."<BR>I would say =
that=20
most of the drivers are safe and respectful of =
their<BR>machines and=20
their abilities but all it takes is one douchebag move =
and<BR>you're=20
in big=20
=
trouble<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>=
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