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To: "GSFuqua1@aol.com" <GSFuqua1@aol.com>, "britbits@netzero.com"
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving
From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer@rdoequipment.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:25:18 -0500
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...and to a lot of us, that defines the 8/10's rule. Racing just as hard as=
 you can, coming up on a slower car approaching the apex and giving up the =
pass because you know he will be taking the line. You go 8/10's. If you are=
 going to keep up with the guy you are stalking you may have to go more tha=
n 10/10's, getting to the edge of the grass and kicking up the gravel or us=
e you're edgy, maybe risky, off line driving skills. In vintage most times =
we take it safe and slow it up to either go around or take a position in li=
ne behind the slower car, knowing that our prey is getting away. That is wh=
at we do in vintage, apologies to Bob Tullias.

The above has nothing to do with the car that is out there bedding brakes o=
r breaking in the engine. When we are on the track, practice or not the lin=
e is for racing. The other drivers won't know what we are doing and as Bill=
 accurately pointed out if someone is going at a vastly slower speed the po=
inting thing doesn't always work. When in doubt we get in line.


So Gary, I don't have a speedo in my car, and I rarely look at the dash at =
the end of either of those straights. Just how fast are you going at the en=
d of the Hallett straight?

Bob Kramer




________________________________
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Beh=
alf Of GSFuqua1@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:16 AM
To: britbits@netzero.com; Billb@bnj.com
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bedding Brakes, dangerous driving

Having just finished a driving school I can safely say we were told to hold=
 the line and be aware there was a car coming up on us to pass.  We were to=
ld repeatedly NOT to leave the line because that is where the over taking d=
river expected us to be.  Personally I don't have enough experience to say =
one way or the other.  I just know what I was told.  I try very hard to be =
aware of everything that is going on, including cars coming up on me.  I do=
 my best not to hold them up by moving over when it is safe but I'm not cre=
eping around the track either.  I hit the end of the straight in triple dig=
its at Hallett and TWS.  Someone coming up on me may indeed be doing triple=
 digit plus but I was told if I got to the corner first then the line was m=
ine and they had to wait to pass.  Again I try not to let that happen in co=
rners but sometimes that can't be avoided.

I guess my point here is there seems to be some confusion and I for one wou=
ld really like to know what is "Right" and what is just someone's opinion.

Thanks for listening.

Gary


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&#8230;and to a lot of us, that define=
s
the 8/10&#8217;s rule. Racing just as hard as you can, coming up on a slowe=
r
car approaching the apex and giving up the pass because you know he will be
taking the line. You go 8/10&#8217;s. If you are going to keep up with the =
guy
you are stalking you may have to go more than 10/10&#8217;s, getting to the
edge of the grass and kicking up the gravel or use you&#8217;re edgy, maybe=
 risky,
off line driving skills. In vintage most times we take it safe and slow it =
up to
either go around or take a position in line behind the slower car, knowing =
that
our prey is getting away. That is what we do in vintage, apologies to Bob
Tullias.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The above has nothing to do with the c=
ar
that is out there bedding brakes or breaking in the engine. When we are on =
the
track, practice or not the line is for racing. The other drivers won&#8217;=
t
know what we are doing and as Bill accurately pointed out if someone is goi=
ng
at a vastly slower speed the pointing thing doesn&#8217;t always work. When=
 in
doubt we get in line. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:=
st=3D"on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City>,
I don&#8217;t have a speedo in my car, and I rarely look at the dash at the=
 end
of either of those straights. Just how fast are you going at the end of the
Hallett straight?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob Kramer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> fot-boun=
ces@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>GSFuqua1@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26, =
2008
12:16 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> britbits@netzero.com;
Billb@bnj.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fot@autox.team.net<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Bedding B=
rakes,
dangerous driving</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Having just finished a driving school=
 I
can safely say we were told to hold the line and be aware there was a car
coming up on us to pass.&nbsp; We were told repeatedly NOT to leave the lin=
e
because that is where the over taking driver expected us to be.&nbsp;
Personally I don't have enough experience to say one way or the other.&nbsp=
; I
just know what I was told.&nbsp; I try very hard to be aware of everything =
that
is going on, including cars coming up on me.&nbsp; I do my best not to hold
them up by moving over when it is safe but I'm not creeping around the trac=
k
either.&nbsp; I hit the end of the straight in triple digits at Hallett and
TWS.&nbsp; Someone coming up on me may indeed be doing triple digit plus bu=
t I
was told if I got to the corner first then the line was mine and they had t=
o
wait to pass.&nbsp; Again I try not to let that happen in corners but somet=
imes
that can't be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I guess my point here is there seems =
to
be some confusion and I for one would really like to know what is
&quot;Right&quot; and what is just someone's opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks for listening.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

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