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RE: LUCAS DISTRIBUTOR SPRINGS

To: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>, <british-cars@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: LUCAS DISTRIBUTOR SPRINGS
From: Barry Riseley <barry-riseley@trump.net.au>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:36:15 +1000
Hello Randall and co.,
Will comment in Caps



At 01:27 PM 29/07/2004 -0700, Randall wrote:
> > IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS GREAT CIRCLE OF BOUNDLESS KNOWLEDGE WHO HAS A
> > SOURCE OF ADVANCE SPRINGS?.
>
>I have several magazine articles on winding your own springs.  Might take
>some experimentation to catalog spring rates given by different wire
>diameters and alloys, but the rest seems easy enough.

I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THE ARTICLES


> > I might add that I have tried to have some springs made but that exercise
> > ended up as a total (and expensive) disaster
>
>Having them made is perhaps a bit trickier ... you need to completely
>specify the spring in terms of free length and spring rate.  If your
>manufacturer agrees to your spec, and is unable to supply springs that meet
>it, you should not have to pay for them.

THE SPRING MAKER I WENT TO HAD NO TROUBLE WINDING THE SPRINGS FROM SAMPLES, 
THE DIFFICULTY;IS IN FORMING THE  SPECIAL "LONG LOOPS" ON THE ENDS. THE 
EXACT OVERALL LENGTH OF THE SPRING IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT 
SPRING TENSION AT REST.
THE SPRING MAKER, WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL WITH ABOUT 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE TOLD 
ME THAT THE ORIGINAL ENDS WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE WITH A JIG BENDER ON AN 
AUTOMATIC MACHINE. SIMPLE LOOPED ENDS ARE EASY TO MAKE. I HAVE A SET OF 
LOOPING PLIERS AND HAVE IN FACT SUCCESSFULLY MODIFIED STANDARD SPRINGS FROM 
SPRING ASSORTMENTS BUT, BECAUSE A DIFFERENT DIAMETER/GAUGE OF WIRE WILL 
THEN BE REQUIRED (BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF TURNS FOR A GIVEN "AT REST" HOOK TO 
HOOK LENGTH WILL BE DIFFERENT) THE WHOLE THING BECOMES MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

THE REAL ANSWER WOULD BE A GOOD SELECTION OF SPRINGS AND A LOT OF PATIENCE

>I don't know where you would find that information for the original springs,

THERE USED TO BE A LUCAS SPRINGS MANUAL. THE LAST ONE I SAW WAS AFTER 
FLOODS IN THE CITY OF HOBART IN 1960. IT WAS VERY SOGGY, I DIDN'T TRY AND 
SAVE IT, BUT I NOW WISH I DID

THE INFORMATION WHICH I WOULD NOW REALLY LIKE TO GET HOLD OF IS THE ADVANCE 
CURVE SPECS FOR PRE 1946 LUCAS DISTRIBUTORS. I HAVE MOST INFO POST 1946.

>but with the help of a distributor machine and a spring winder, it shouldn't
>be too difficult to make a spring, measure it, then install it and observe
>the results.

I HAVE A SET OF TENSION BALANCE GAUGES AND CAN MEASURE THE LIFT OFF 
TENSIONS OF SPRINGS, WHICH ASSISTS, BUT IT IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE BECAUSE 
OF THE NEED TO HAVE A CRITICAL "AT REST" HOOK TO HOOK DIMENSION.

>   Just a few such results should be enough to characterize what
>spring you need.
>
>Randall
>THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST AND REPLY


Barry Riseley
Tasmania






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