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Re: marina, was Re: What a great course! And still another day

To: "James Creasy" <james@thevenom.net>
Subject: Re: marina, was Re: What a great course! And still another day
From: Matthew Rehrer <mrehrer@rehrer.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:35:49 -0700
Hey James et. al.-

Since in stock one can only add/change the front sway bar would
it be worth while for me to look into this to try to prevent this kind of
roll:

http://www.rehrer.com/racing/bodyRoll.Marina.00.jpg

What are the potential negatives to more front bar?  I am still running
stock shocks as well but I do not imagine the shocks have much impact
on body roll, or do they?

Thanks for your thoughts,

Matthew

On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 10:52 AM, James Creasy wrote:

> in general the sticker the surface/tires the more a car will understeer.
>
> the most basic way to control the steady state steer characteristic
> (under/over steer) is with sway bar tuning.
>
> however, the sticker a surface also the more roll you will get, 
> requiring
> more overall bar roll resistance.   for example, at my target G force of
> 1.4, i require 321lb/in of total sway bar roll resistance to limit body 
> roll
> to 2 degrees.  at 1.6 G's it becomes 480lb/in, a big increase!
>
> so you may need i to increase the FRONT roll bar to decrease push 
> because
> the front tires are getting into positive camber.  i remember i did a 
> larger
> front bar on my rx7 and it reduced the push.
>
> -james
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul S (#51 STS)" <ibisbike@yahoo.com>
> To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: marina, was Re: What a great course! And still another day 
> off!
>
>
>> I agree the course was great, and the drive home was
>> very pleasant compared to the normal stuck in traffic
>> forever deal we get on Sunday's.
>>
>> Now I just need to figure out why my car displayed
>> more understeer than I have ever encountered with it
>> before.  This was with the rear sway bar adjusted full
>> stiff.  Normally I can get some lift throttle
>> oversteer in the little Si, but I got nothing...just
>> more plowing.  It was incredibly frustrating, and
>> painfully slow.
>>
>> Any suggestions before I completely embarass myself at
>> the Tour in two weeks on more grippy concrete?
>>
>> Thanks for a great event (even if my car sucked).
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> =====
>> 2000 Civic Si
>> #51 STS
>>
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