[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6. Now TR3 Glove Box in ABS Plastic. AVAILABLE NOW.
JOSEPH ALEXANDER
n197tr4 at cs.com
Fri Jan 9 09:50:55 MST 2026
I am fabricating glove boxes. I did one for my TR3. Missing for 40 years……👿
Any interest? Direct replacement. US only. Same price as cardboard fiber version.
Thanks,
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
Website: Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell: 319.464.4711
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> 3. Commission plate (John Macartney)
> 4. Re: LOOK. At. THIS. (Paul Dorsey)
> 5. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (bill beecher)
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>, Paul Dorsey
> <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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> Paul how good to see you emailing again.what did you ever do with your TR?
> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it one time
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> Frank Fisher
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> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
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> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
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> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on. Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks) with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
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> Alex Thomson
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> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
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> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> ?
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> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
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> ?
>
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
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> ?
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> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
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> ?
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> Greg Lemon
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> TR250
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> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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> I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
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> ?
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> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?
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> ?
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> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
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> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
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> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
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> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> ?
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> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
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> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
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> Don
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> Santa Fe
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> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
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> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
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> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
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> Dave
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> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
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> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
> ?
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>
> ?
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> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
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>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
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>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
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>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
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>> Bill
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>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
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>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
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>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> wrote:
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>>> Hi Sujit,
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>>>
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>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>
>>>
>
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>
>>> head gasket issue.
>
>>>
>
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
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>>>
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>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
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>>> store.
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>>>
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>>> Hope this helps
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>>>
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>>> JVV
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>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
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>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
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>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
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>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>>>
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>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
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>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
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>>> Sujit
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Greg Lemon
> <grglmn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> on commision plate rivetsas i no longer work, i have no company account and therefore do not get a trade discount.it looks like its going to be around 10.00 a pair with postage paid to lower 48.will take a couple of weeks to get shiped if you are interseted.if there is enough interest.
> Frank?
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 09:44:44 AM PST, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> give me a few days.i did get a run of original rivits made.ill see if i can have a new run made and how much it may cost.they were quite reasonable as i recall
> Frank
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> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:48:21 PM PST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
> Greg LemonTR250
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?
>
> -------- Original message --------From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> DonSanta Fe(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>
> Steve
>
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>> ? ? ? (Sujit Roy)
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>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>> ??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>> Bill
>>
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>> ?
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
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>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>> head gasket issue.
>>>
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>> store.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> JVV
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>
>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>
>>> Sujit
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>>
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:30:43 +0000
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: oertwig at mac.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Commission plate
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> I?d say that?s definitely ?a Nobby plate?.
> Picture the scene.
> To the background noise of howling compressed air tools, frantic hammering, oaths, a blaring public address system that no one can understand because the announcer in the telephone exchange always sounds as though she?s talking with a clothes peg on her nose - some elderly men are sitting at their workstations, lugubriously stamping blank commission plates. One of them is peering at his block of wood holding his tool steel letter punches.
> ?Wots yer looking for, Nobby??
> ?Can?t find me S and C punches. One o? yow thievin? bastard ?as took it an? didn?t even bleed in? ask me before?and.?
> Brief silence until the PA system is briefly silent.
> ?Any of yers got Nobby?s S an C punches? Cmon, someone?s got it ain?t yer??
> Peerings take place as operatives study their punch racks. Nobby glares at all of them through his fish eye glasses. Heads shake in denial
> ?Cmon, yow lot. Yow knows all me punches got a painted red band on ?em so oi knows ?os arse ter kick when oi cums back from ?avin a Jimmy! Ooze got ?em??
> Another pause.
> ?Nob, yer can borra mine if I stands over yer ter make sure yer don?t pinch em and paint em red later?.
> ?Ta, mate?.
> ?Ere, Nob, afore yer ?it it, check the yeller side is facin yer. Ven you?ll know yerve got it the right way round so some yank can read it.?
> Nobby checks the yellow side is facing him as he hits the punch with his well-worn hammer. Handing the punches back to his colleague, he studies his handiwork.
> ?Yow niver said nuffink about that S and C bein small. So small, oi can ardly read them buggers. ***k me gently, that?ll niver git past Inspection on Final Finish!?
> ?Oo ever said anyfink about bein legible? Numbers on the plate ain?t it and the plate?ll soon be riveted on? Too bloody late to moan about anyfink we do ere bein readable. No buggers ever look at em anyways, so don?t you lose lose no sleep about it Nobby my old son! Just let someone else moan about it later on and in anuvver place.?
>
> "
> .............Fifty or more years later, someone did actually read that plate and ?worried? about it.
>
> Jonmac
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:57:01 -0500
> From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>, Triumph List
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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> I sold it. i?m kinda sorry that I did. And good to hear from you Frank I am
> no longer able to do anything outside my head injured was getting too bad
> thanks.
>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 2:54?PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Paul how good to see you emailing again.
>> what did you ever do with your TR?
>>
>> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it
>> one time
>>
>>
>> Frank Fisher
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <
>> dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
>> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
>> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
>> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
>> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
>> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
>> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you
>> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure
>> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex Thomson
>>
>> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
>> Lemon
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
>> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
>> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
>> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
>> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.
>> He reused the original plate. The original plate is secured with sheet
>> metal screws. He reused the original screws.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted. He even
>> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
>> screws. So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
>> and riveted the plate on.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Lemon
>>
>> TR250
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> I get that. IMHO, a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
>> restoration. An original plate, although original, does not.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved. No, it's not original,
>> but it is beautiful
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>
>> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>>
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
>> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>> Santa Fe
>>
>> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't worry about the rivets. The inspecting officer won't have a
>> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there. And having a perfectly
>> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
>> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one
>> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is
>> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
>> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
>> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
>> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
>> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
>> after lunch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
>> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
>> plates and body numbers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>
>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>
>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>
>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>
>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. Of course, the
>> ?3? will be wrong.
>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>>
>>
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> ?
>>
>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>
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>>> Message: 2
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>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>
>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>
>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>>
>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>
>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
>> change.
>>
>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>
>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
>> the
>>
>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
>> when
>>
>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>
>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
>> of a
>>
>>>> head gasket issue.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>
>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>
>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>
>>>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>
>>>> store.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> JVV
>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>
>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
>> Roy
>>
>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>
>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>
>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>
>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sujit
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> --
>>
>>>> Sujit Roy
>>
>>>> Cupertino, California
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:31:41 -0600
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> To: Macartney John <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> Cc: Oertwig Stephen <oertwig at mac.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> John,
> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.
> Bill
>
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>
> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>
> Jonmac
>
>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>>
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>
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>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>> (Sujit Roy)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>
>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>
>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>
>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>
>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>
>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>> store.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> JVV
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>
>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>
>>>> Sujit
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>
>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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> Listers,
> Regarding head gasket leaks. Now that a huge percentage of cars are ob2
> complaint there must be thousands of older exhaust/tailpipe sniffers laying dormant. The same sniffers can also be used to sniff a radiator!
> Tomorrow I will ask a couple of local shops. The was a unit made by Hamilton Standard that worked well.
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> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
>
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>
> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sujit,
>>
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>>
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBlock-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak%2Fdp%2FB06VVBSFTF%2Fref%3Dsr_1_3%3Fcrid%3DB5BELSHHE2V2%26dib%3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo%26dib_tag%3Dse%26keywords%3Dcombustion%2Bgas%2Btester%2Bfor%2Bcoolant%26qid%3D1767361665%26sprefix%3DCombustion%2Bgas%2B%252Caps%252C3537%26sr%3D8-3&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb95c5582e7564ca852df08de4bd33f09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639031567834836948%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FBsQmZ7jGVHOyM7Iwv3Y%2BQ9G%2FmzsL4tLK%2BpKB6StJH8%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-L
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>>
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>
>> Sujit
>>
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 10:39:53 +0000
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Oertwig Stephen <oertwig at mac.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.
>
> JM
>
>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.
>> Bill
>>
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>>
>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>>>
>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>> (Sujit Roy)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>
>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>>> store.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>
>>>>> JVV
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sujit
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>
>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Cupertino, California
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 15:49:47 +0000
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me when well-intended people don?t check their facts. Exactly the same situation applies when other enthusiasts for Jaguar and MG do the same thing.
>
> Cheers, Jonmac
>
>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 15:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Again, a piece of history people need to know. Shows the gratitude Sir John Black had for those who served. This story should be told when we honor his legacy Feb. 10.
>>
>> V/R
>> Steve
>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2026, at 4:40?AM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.
>>>
>>> JM
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
>>>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>>>>
>>>> Jonmac
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>> (Sujit Roy)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>>>> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get? H. Ford
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>>>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JVV
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sujit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>>
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> From: Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com>
> To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> Cc: Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>, Triumphs
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process [and how
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> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 9:57?AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably
>> promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some
>> facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s
>> this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor
>> Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a
>> later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me
>> when well-intended people don?t check their facts.
>>
>
> Since my retirement from my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug. The
> havoc that well-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.
>
> THere is an organization called Find A Grave. People who have found other
> people's mistakes elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG
> memorials, Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat
> these errors back into the other databases.
>
> For instance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in
> Liverpool of Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband.
> Margaret's first husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.
> Margaret and Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota
> where they lived with their several children including Helen Slattery.
> Matthew died on Christmas Eve 1897. I have found no record that any of
> these people ever lived in Michigan.
>
> Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, there have been
> many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine Shields in
> Michigan. They had several children, including Helen Slattery. This
> family seems to have stayed in Michigan.
>
> As soon as someone on Ancestry.com (or the like) conflated the two men
> named Matthew Slattery, the trouble began. The tangle of incorrect
> associations for not just Matthew Slattery, but for Helen
> Slattery, snowballed out of control. Next thing you know, there was a
> conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine Shields.
>
>
> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
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