[TR] Stainless Steel,

Sun May 14 16:02:04 MDT 2023

Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.

1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel. 
The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine. 
This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was 
based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is 
from this past winter.

2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the 
thickness I associate with chrome flakes.

3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company 
advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and 
three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.

That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they 
lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons 
they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good 
for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased 
and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't 
complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome 
bumpers I had purchased.

TeriAnn

On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!
>
> Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
> ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
>   If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
> prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
> ChatGPT disclaimers)
>
> The Science:
> Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
> properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
> steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
> does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
> metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
> properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
> is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
> using electrolysis.
>
> Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity?
>   ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
> ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
> 200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
>
> Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
> because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
> 24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
> criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
>
> 100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
> marketing claims meant to deceive.
>
> Caveat Emptor ya'll.
>
> "My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
> that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
> % game since the day it was formed.
>
> There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
> been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
> engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE".
>
> 316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
> or Solid are meaningless.
>
> I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
> apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
> production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
> the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
> the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
> nuclear power instrumentation.
>
> There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
> nuclear generated steam.
> Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
> your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.
>    
> And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
> technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
> and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.
>
> I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
> after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
> if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.
>
> Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.
>
> Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
> extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
> ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
> rely upon as facts.
>
> That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question:
>
> "Do you know what I mean?".
>
> No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
> your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
> with the algorithm.
>
> Know what I mean?
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of Stan Foster
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<tjwakeman at gmail.com>;triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> ChatGPT confirms:
>
> Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
> galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
> through an electrolytic process.
>
> In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
> containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
> causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
>
> The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
> can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
> corrosive substances.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
> To:triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM,stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
>> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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