[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 172
Carl Carlson
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Sun Aug 1 12:12:01 MDT 2021
I have 2 California TR4A bodies only LA area
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> 1. Re: TR 6 evaporative system (davgil at aol.com)
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> 3. Re: TR 6 evaporative system (DAVID MASSEY)
> 4. TR4 for sale (auprichard at uprichard.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: "dave1massey at cs.com" <dave1massey at cs.com>, "fishplate at gmail.com"
> <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
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> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: "dave1massey at cs.com" <dave1massey at cs.com>, "fishplate at gmail.com"
> <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no hiss when I opened the cap.? Must have been the wiring and the anti-run on valve must be working now.? Thanks for all of your help.David Gill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
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> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 19:33:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "davgil at aol.com" <davgil at aol.com>, "fishplate at gmail.com"
> <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> Nothing succeeds like success.? Enjoy.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 1:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no hiss when I opened the cap.? Must have been the wiring and the anti-run on valve must be working now.? Thanks for all of your help.David Gill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
>
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
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> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 16:48:48 -0400
> From: <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To: "'TR List'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4 for sale
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> Listers: I was approached by a woman whose father had died and left her
> with a TR4. The story is that he bought it (second owner) in 1967 and drove
> it for 10 years when he had some sort of mechanical problem and pulled the
> engine. As often happens, the engine sat and nothing happened - for 44
> years!
>
>
>
> The car is a wood dash TR4, 1964. Non-overdrive (the gearbox is out of the
> car). Disc wheels. White with black interior. Titled in the state of
> Michigan.
>
>
>
> The car is otherwise intact and the amazing thing is that I found absolutely
> no rust on the car or frame. If someone is restoring a TR4 and has had it
> with rust, this car would be a perfect answer.
>
>
>
> I was asked to put a price on the car and I felt, given its rust-free
> condition, she should not take less than $4000. She asked me to put out
> this message before listing it on eBay or Craigslist. I have no financial
> interest: if anyone gets back to me, I will put them in touch with the
> owner.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
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> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 12:15:56 -0400
> From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 170
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> The relay suggestion is good.
>
> On my H4 lamps I found a haze of some unknown substance on the reflectors inside the glass housing! I was able to remove it with glass cleaner and curved implements to reach everywhere inside.
>
> Much improved afterward
>
> -Tony
>
>
>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 00:06:08 -0400
>> From: "Jeff Nathanson" <jeffn at msystech.com>
>> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] TR6 LED headlamps
>> Message-ID: <001301d784f8$3a0c27f0$ae2477d0$@msystech.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>> I was driving my 1972 TR6 one night and noticed how dark the roads seem
>> (compared to my new car). I have Sylvania halogen headlamps in the 6, and
>> was told that LED is the way to go. Are there any suggestions (other than
>> drive with the high beams). There seems to be a lot of contradicting
>> messages on the web like the need to change the wiring, or add a relay,
>> change the switch, and more. Are there any avenues to avoid?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanking in advance,
>>
>> Jeff N.
>
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