[TR] Advice on high compression head

Paul Tegler ptegler at verizon.net
Wed Apr 7 18:35:41 MDT 2021


ditto. Validate the issue with minimal work

ptegler

On 4/7/2021 7:24 PM, David P wrote:
>
> Have a thick gasket made.. Lubbock Gasket and Supply 806-763 2801
>
> On 4/7/2021 4:39 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>> If you want to save the head you may be able to lower the compression 
>> ratio a bit by reshaping the combustion chamber.  This is 
>> theoretically, I don't know how much can be removed, Kastner book 
>> would be a starting point, but you would probably want to take out 
>> more than that, measure combustion chamber size, etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 5:23 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net 
>> <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Cliff,
>>     A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to
>>     increase compression. In Kas Kastner’s TR4/TR4A competition
>>     preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape
>>     the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate “hot
>>     spots”. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want
>>     to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter.
>>     Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly
>>     related to how much material is removed from the head so just
>>     buying shortened pushrods won’t get you the best results. I think
>>     you should figure out how much material was removed from the
>>     “stock” head and shorten the pushrods accordingly.
>>     I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do
>>     some homework reading over Kas’s competition prep manual and find
>>     a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
>>     Dave Connitt
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>     On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com
>>>     <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>     I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But
>>>     the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods. 
>>>     BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time
>>>     they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
>>>
>>>     Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com
>>>     <mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>>
>>>     To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net
>>>     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>>     Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
>>>     Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
>>>
>>>     The telenovela “What’s going on with this 4A cylinder head” has
>>>     developed a new plot twist.
>>>     The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21” from bottom to the
>>>     surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the
>>>     number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010” was
>>>     removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation
>>>     for the persistent pinging I’ve dealt with over the last few
>>>     years (head has been milled so compression is high, material
>>>     near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of
>>>     hot spots – I’m getting this from Kastner’s preparation book),
>>>     which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or
>>>     operating at higher altitude.
>>>     As is, I can’t use this head because there is not enough slack
>>>     in the valve train to give 0.010” clearance on several valves. I
>>>     didn’t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve
>>>     adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.
>>>     Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to
>>>     use this head?
>>>     - I’d prefer to reduce compression but don’t see any reasonable
>>>     way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently
>>>     discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying
>>>     instead I’d be better off finding a head which had not been
>>>     milled so much.
>>>      - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels
>>>     like a bandaid which certainly won’t address the pinging
>>>     (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).
>>>     Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
>>>     Cliff
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