[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 231
Michael Coe
coefront at shaw.ca
Mon Oct 14 14:03:40 MDT 2019
Please advertise my TR8 for sale.
Thanks
1982 TR8 Triumph. Always well maintained by a local sports car garage. Mileage…96161 Km (approximately 71,000 miles}. Owned since June 22nd, 2006. Not driven much over the past few years; during which time I was wafling on selling.5 speed transmission. 220 Km speedometer. Two year old battery. EFI. 15 inch Mag wheels. 6 CD player. AM/FM radio/one CD. Alternator. Up graded speakers. Electric radio antenna. Roll bar. Wind deflector. Half tonneau cover. Quaife limited slip differential. Dash cover {when car parked}. Weather cockpit cover. Trunk rack with third brake light. Stainless steel dual exhaust. Interior trunk light. 15” alloy wheels. 185/55/R15 tires. K&N filter. Upgraded larger front disc brakes. Carpet mats. Electric radiator fan. Aluminum radiator. Oil cooler. K & N filter. Triple air horns with dash control for full blast or a tune. Updated driving lights. Headers. Cross engine brace. Battery disconnect switch. Some LED bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 key fob. Insured for $20,000.00. But consider reasonable offers. This is a “neat” TR8.
Mike Coe. Calgary. Alberta. 403-281-0363
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> 1. battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)
> 2. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)
> 3. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
> 4. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)
> 5. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)
> 6. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (DAVID MASSEY)
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:57:36 +0000
> From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> 1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40 mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then to neutral position.
> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
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> Peter Arakelian
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> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "'Peter Arakelian'" <PeterAra at msn.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.
>
> Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".
> The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to steam
> but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen. Normally, the
> explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done
> (until the battery runs low on electrolyte). But any kind of spark nearby
> can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.
>
> I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car. Next time it happens (if
> there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine at a
> fast idle. If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and
> disconnect the alternator for the drive home. Should be no problem driving
> for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 hours with
> headlights.
>
> You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not a
> shorted cell in the battery. I suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to
> un-short; but I've never seen it happen.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>>
>> 1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was
>> at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40
>> mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick
>> up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20
>> min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral
>> position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery
>> from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked
>> and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at
>> first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>>
>> Peter Arakelian
>>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:21:54 -0700
> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> On 10/12/19 11:57 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>> 1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the +
>> sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive,
>> stayed there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car
>> cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now
>> halfway between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked
>> volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car
>> today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight
>> charge at first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>> Peter Arakelian
>
> 1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a volt meter
> so you can see what is really going on.
>
> 2. Take your car to most any auto parts store. They can test the
> condition of your battery and your alternator for FREE.
>
> TeriAnn
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> With a Smiths volt meter in my TR3.
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> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:00:28 -0700
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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>> 1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a
>> volt meter so you can see what is really going on.
>
> I'd just like to point out that, if the problem had been a shorted battery
> cell, a voltmeter would likely not have shown anything out of the ordinary.
> The alternator would have charged 5 cells to the region of 13 or 14 volts;
> which is a drastic overcharge but the voltage is still fine. To really get
> a complete picture, you need both.
>
> But temporarily checking with a voltmeter is a lot easier than temporarily
> checking with an ammeter. If you want, you can even get a voltmeter that
> plugs into a cigarette lighter socket.
>
> -- Randall
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:15:27 +0000
> From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
> To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> Thanx, just the advice I needed to diagnose
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> From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:12:14 PM
> To: 'Peter Arakelian' <PeterAra at msn.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: RE: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>
> Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.
>
> Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".
> The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to steam
> but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen. Normally, the
> explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done
> (until the battery runs low on electrolyte). But any kind of spark nearby
> can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.
>
> I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car. Next time it happens (if
> there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine at a
> fast idle. If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and
> disconnect the alternator for the drive home. Should be no problem driving
> for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 hours with
> headlights.
>
> You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not a
> shorted cell in the battery. I suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to
> un-short; but I've never seen it happen.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>>
>> 1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was
>> at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40
>> mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick
>> up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20
>> min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral
>> position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery
>> from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked
>> and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at
>> first then to neutral position.
>> Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?
>>
>> Peter Arakelian
>>
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> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: PeterAra at msn.com, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
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> Hello, Peter.? I had a similar experience.? My ammeter suddenly started something similar in the middle of a drive so when I got home I checked battery voltage both engine-off and engine-running and voltages were normal.? So I concluded the battery was starting to fail.? The battery shop checked it with their big, heavy, fancy tester and pronounced it good but I was not comfortable with that diagnosis so I bought a new one anyway.? It was a seven year old battery and I had a gift card so what the heck.? I installed the battery and all was back to normal.
> I probably could have run that battery for a few more months before it failed altogether but that could have been on the middle of my trip to Dripping Springs.? ON a Sunday.? On I-35 in Dallas.
>
> As Randall said, you need both a volt meter and an ammeter to diagnose a problem.? Basically, the voltmeter will indicate the health of the charging system and the ammeter will indicate the health of the battery - but only if the charging system is working properly.? A charging system malfunction can give you the same ammeter reading as a failing battery so the ammeter along is not enough.? And a pending battery failure will not necessarily show on the load tester.
> Good luck.
>
> Dave
>
>
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> From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 12, 2019 1:57 pm
> Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?
>
> 1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive, stayed there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then to neutral position.Battery, alternator, or Gremlin??Peter Arakelian** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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