<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Please advertise my TR8 for sale.<div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;">1982 TR8 Triumph. </span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class="">Always well maintained by a local sports car garage. </span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class="">Mileage…96161 Km (approximately 71,000 miles}. </span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class="">Owned since June 22nd, 2006. </span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class="">Not driven much over the past few years; during which time I was wafling on selling.</span><span style="font-family: HelveticaNeue;" class="">5 speed transmission. 220 Km speedometer. Two year old battery. EFI. 15 inch Mag wheels. 6 CD player. AM/FM radio/one CD. Alternator. Up graded speakers. Electric radio antenna. Roll bar. Wind deflector. Half tonneau cover. Quaife limited slip differential. Dash cover {when car parked}. Weather cockpit cover. Trunk rack with third brake light. Stainless steel dual exhaust. Interior trunk light. 15” alloy wheels. 185/55/R15 tires. K&N filter. Upgraded larger front disc brakes. Carpet mats. Electric radiator fan. Aluminum radiator. Oil cooler. K & N filter. Triple air horns with dash control for full blast or a tune. Updated driving lights. Headers. Cross engine brace. Battery disconnect switch. Some LED bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 key fob. </span><font face="HelveticaNeue" class="">Insured for $20,000.00. But consider reasonable offers. This is a “neat” TR8.</font></div><div class=""><font face="HelveticaNeue" class="">Mike Coe. Calgary. Alberta. 403-281-0363<br class=""></font><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:00 PM, <a href="mailto:triumphs-request@autox.team.net" class="">triumphs-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" class="">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs<br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>triumphs-request@autox.team.net<br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>triumphs-owner@autox.team.net<br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)<br class=""> 2. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)<br class=""> 3. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br class=""> 4. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Randall)<br class=""> 5. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (Peter Arakelian)<br class=""> 6. Re: battery, alternator, or gremlin? (DAVID MASSEY)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:57:36 +0000<br class="">From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra@msn.com><br class="">To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><DM5PR06MB3564EF3562AEFA69BC8BA6AAC1960@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40 mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then to neutral position.<br class="">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">Peter Arakelian<br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20191012/1c6c1f9a/attachment-0001.htm><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 2<br class="">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:12:14 -0700<br class="">From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br class="">To: "'Peter Arakelian'" <PeterAra@msn.com>,<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID: <1CF4601CBCCB4C31A01E23EB63D5AADA@RYPC><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain;<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>charset="us-ascii"<br class=""><br class="">Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.<br class=""><br class="">Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".<br class="">The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to steam<br class="">but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen. Normally, the<br class="">explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done<br class="">(until the battery runs low on electrolyte). But any kind of spark nearby<br class="">can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.<br class=""><br class="">I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car. Next time it happens (if<br class="">there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine at a<br class="">fast idle. If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and<br class="">disconnect the alternator for the drive home. Should be no problem driving<br class="">for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 hours with<br class="">headlights.<br class=""><br class="">You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not a<br class="">shorted cell in the battery. I suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to<br class="">un-short; but I've never seen it happen.<br class=""><br class="">-- Randall <br class="">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br class="">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br class="">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On <br class="">Behalf Of Peter Arakelian<br class="">Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM<br class="">To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br class="">Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was <br class="">at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40 <br class="">mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick <br class="">up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20 <br class="">min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral <br class="">position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery <br class="">from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked <br class="">and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at <br class="">first then to neutral position.<br class="">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">Peter Arakelian<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 3<br class="">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:21:54 -0700<br class="">From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com><br class="">To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br class="">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID: <c9373c63-182c-262b-5c4c-984106d34567@gmail.com><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br class=""><br class="">On 10/12/19 11:57 AM, Peter Arakelian wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + <br class="">sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive, <br class="">stayed there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car <br class="">cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now <br class="">halfway between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked <br class="">volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car <br class="">today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight <br class="">charge at first then to neutral position.<br class="">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br class="">Peter Arakelian<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a volt meter <br class="">so you can see what is really going on.<br class=""><br class="">2. Take your car to most any auto parts store. They can test the <br class="">condition of your battery and your alternator for FREE.<br class=""><br class="">TeriAnn<br class=""><br class="">With a Smiths volt meter in my TR3.<br class=""><br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20191012/04f1f88c/attachment-0001.htm><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 4<br class="">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:00:28 -0700<br class="">From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br class="">To: <triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID: <6EE4BAA114BE4B7C831331307EF2225F@RYPC><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain;<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>charset="us-ascii"<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">1. Throw away you ammeter or ebay it) and replace it with a <br class="">volt meter so you can see what is really going on.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I'd just like to point out that, if the problem had been a shorted battery<br class="">cell, a voltmeter would likely not have shown anything out of the ordinary.<br class="">The alternator would have charged 5 cells to the region of 13 or 14 volts;<br class="">which is a drastic overcharge but the voltage is still fine. To really get<br class="">a complete picture, you need both.<br class=""><br class="">But temporarily checking with a voltmeter is a lot easier than temporarily<br class="">checking with an ammeter. If you want, you can even get a voltmeter that<br class="">plugs into a cigarette lighter socket.<br class=""><br class="">-- Randall<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 5<br class="">Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:15:27 +0000<br class="">From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra@msn.com><br class="">To: Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br class="">Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><DM5PR06MB35645990C32F878F974EE457C1960@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br class=""><br class="">Thanx, just the advice I needed to diagnose<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br class="">Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:12:14 PM<br class="">To: 'Peter Arakelian' <PeterAra@msn.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Subject: RE: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">Most likely a gremlin in the alternator, IMO.<br class=""><br class="">Kind of dangerous, running around with the alternator stuck on "full on".<br class="">The electrolyte in the battery "boils", which isn't water changing to steam<br class="">but instead water being separated into oxygen and hydrogen. Normally, the<br class="">explosive gas mixture escapes out the vents and dissipates with no harm done<br class="">(until the battery runs low on electrolyte). But any kind of spark nearby<br class="">can set it off, resulting in a battery explosion.<br class=""><br class="">I suggest carrying a voltmeter/DMM in the car. Next time it happens (if<br class="">there is a next time), pull over and check battery voltage with engine at a<br class="">fast idle. If you see more than about 14.4 volts, shut the engine off and<br class="">disconnect the alternator for the drive home. Should be no problem driving<br class="">for 4 or 5 hours without the alternator and no headlights, 2 or 3 hours with<br class="">headlights.<br class=""><br class="">You'll also know for sure that it's the alternator gone wonky, and not a<br class="">shorted cell in the battery. I suppose it's possible for a shorted cell to<br class="">un-short; but I've never seen it happen.<br class=""><br class="">-- Randall<br class="">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br class="">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br class="">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On<br class="">Behalf Of Peter Arakelian<br class="">Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:58 AM<br class="">To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br class="">Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">1971 TR6. Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was<br class="">at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full. It is a 40<br class="">mile drive, stayed there the entire way. I stopped to pick<br class="">up a pizza. the car cranked and started as usual after a 20<br class="">min stop. Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral<br class="">position and the + sign. today I checked volage of battery<br class="">from pole to pole: 12.60 volts. Start the car today, cranked<br class="">and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at<br class="">first then to neutral position.<br class="">Battery, alternator, or Gremlin?<br class=""><br class="">Peter Arakelian<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20191012/9495a81c/attachment-0001.htm><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 6<br class="">Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:21:54 +0000 (UTC)<br class="">From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br class="">To: PeterAra@msn.com, triumphs@autox.team.net<br class="">Subject: Re: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class="">Message-ID: <46817477.576872.1570976514323@mail.yahoo.com><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class=""> Hello, Peter.? I had a similar experience.? My ammeter suddenly started something similar in the middle of a drive so when I got home I checked battery voltage both engine-off and engine-running and voltages were normal.? So I concluded the battery was starting to fail.? The battery shop checked it with their big, heavy, fancy tester and pronounced it good but I was not comfortable with that diagnosis so I bought a new one anyway.? It was a seven year old battery and I had a gift card so what the heck.? I installed the battery and all was back to normal.<br class="">I probably could have run that battery for a few more months before it failed altogether but that could have been on the middle of my trip to Dripping Springs.? ON a Sunday.? On I-35 in Dallas.<br class=""><br class="">As Randall said, you need both a volt meter and an ammeter to diagnose a problem.? Basically, the voltmeter will indicate the health of the charging system and the ammeter will indicate the health of the battery - but only if the charging system is working properly.? A charging system malfunction can give you the same ammeter reading as a failing battery so the ammeter along is not enough.? And a pending battery failure will not necessarily show on the load tester.<br class="">Good luck.<br class=""><br class="">Dave <br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra@msn.com><br class="">To: triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net><br class="">Sent: Sat, Oct 12, 2019 1:57 pm<br class="">Subject: [TR] battery, alternator, or gremlin?<br class=""><br class=""> 1971 TR6.? Driving home last night I noticed my ammeter was at the + sign, half-way between neutral and full.? It is a 40 mile drive, stayed there the entire way.? I stopped to pick up a pizza.? the car cranked and started as usual after a 20 min stop.? Ammeter was now halfway between the neutral position and the + sign.? today I checked volage of battery from pole to pole: 12.60 volts.? Start the car today, cranked and started as usual, ammeter shows normal - slight charge at first then to neutral position.Battery, alternator, or Gremlin??Peter Arakelian** triumphs@autox.team.net **<br class=""><br class="">Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br class="">Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive<br class=""><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com<br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20191013/bb89c172/attachment-0001.htm><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Subject: Digest Footer<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">Triumphs mailing list<br class="">Triumphs@autox.team.net<br class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 231<br class="">*****************************************<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>