[TR] Tyres for TR's
JOSEPH MATO
joemato at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jun 2 11:24:44 MDT 2019
I installed Michelin on my TR-3 in the mid-1960's. These which were the X series, the original radials that were much better than anything else available at the time. I later tried Dunlops that seemed to run better in the rain. I live in ice and snow country and use Nokian tires from Finland which now are the tires to beat. They fit my TR-6, not sure about TR-3. You can get them online from Walmart or Simple Tire which offer free shipping. On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 2:02:11 PM EDT, triumphs-request at autox.team.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (CFM-TR)
2. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Wbeech at flash.net)
3. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Reihing, Randall S.)
4. Vacuum Leak (TERRY SMITH)
5. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Jerry Van Vlack)
6. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Kinderlehrer)
7. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Kinderlehrer)
8. Re: Vacuum Leak (wbeech)
9. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (wbeech)
10. More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
(Mark J Bradakis)
11. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Reihing, Randall S.)
12. Re: Vacuum Leak (Randall)
13. Re: More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
(Alex & Janet Thomson)
14. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Brian Kemp)
15. Re: More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
(Mark J Bradakis)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:35:24 -0400
From: "CFM-TR" <cfmtr3a at verizon.net>
To: "'Kinderlehrer'" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>,
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Have the Nexen's; replaced 10 year old Dunlops (because of sidewall
cracking) about 3 years ago. Very similar tread design. Don't run many
miles so can't tell you about longevity. Minimal lead to balance tires. In
fact, one didn't require any. I don't know if I believe it but the old guy
that did the balancing said that many times it is the wheel (either wire or
steel or even mag repro's) that cause the balancing problems. Many times
you can move the tire on the wheel 1/8 or 1/4 turn at a time and eliminate
the issue.
Carl
1960 Triumph TR3
TS81802LO
Tampa, FL
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:59 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:56:51 -0500
From: "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 19:46:57 +0000
From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>
To: "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>, Kinderlehrer
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Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.
Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.
I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new.
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
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Subject: [TR] Vacuum Leak
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Randall was right. I did have multiple problems. Closer inspection of the ground in the distributor plate showed it was connected and tested fine with an ohms check, but in truth was hanging on by just a few threads. Fabricated another and now spark is exceptional out of the wire. Don't ask me how I know that but if you'd like a recommendation of the type screwdriver to test the wire to ground, I can tell you which kind NOT to use.
So...the 3 has spark to the plugs and has fuel to the carbs. Engine cranks but won't catch. Rechecked float specs and they're good. Reset richness to 12 flat start-up specs. So good. Ran a timing light to see if it had jumped time, tested good.
I'm now suspecting a severe enough vacuum leak to keep the gas from being sucked into the chambers. Checked valve lash, no issues. Compression test shows 90 plus in all cylinders. I can't see the intake manifold gasket on the bottom, but that's where it would be...if it is.
Question: with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones hand at the ports of the intake manifold? I'm barely feeling any if at all. Certainly not enough to draw gas in.
Thanks, everyone, for your patience!
Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667
New Hampshire
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:20:37 -0400
From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>,
"Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>, "Kinderlehrer"
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace them. I think they are overrated.
From: Reihing, Randall S.
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.
Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.
I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new.
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:22:22 -0700
From: "Kinderlehrer" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: "'Wbeech at flash.net'" <wbeech at flash.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Thanks. I was offered other brands, like American Tire and BF Goodrich, but at more than twice the price. These are $80/tire, which is really inexpensive - if it's a decent tire. I've seen the Vredesteins on Coker for $120, but I prefer to buy the tires from the installer.
Bob
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From: Wbeech at flash.net [mailto:wbeech at flash.net]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Kinderlehrer
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:30:15 -0700
From: "Kinderlehrer" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: "'Jerry Van Vlack'" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, "'Reihing, Randall
S.'" <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>, "'Wbeech at flash.net'"
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I think you can have those problems with any brand. I replaced the tires on
my daily driver and they couldn't get the vibration out, tried to tell me I
was the wheels and I should go back to Toyota, they had a good laugh. Made
them replace the tires, BF Goodrich if I remember correctly, and the problem
went away.
Bob
From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:21 PM
To: Reihing, Randall S.; Wbeech at flash.net; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
Moral of the story is don't buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal
opinion, I've had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace
them. I think they are overrated.
From: Reihing, Randall S.
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned
since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue
with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the
vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had
demonstrated.
Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer),
where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my
vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been
installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal
expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel
and it was really annoying.
I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a
balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the
usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move
the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find
the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an
hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was
when new.
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this
size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155
but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run
165 width on 6" minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and
no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:25 -0500
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Vacuum Leak
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Terry,
You should definitely feel the suck, remember the manifold is cross-connected so you would have to cover both openings at the same time. Have you tried shooting a little starting fluid into the carbs to see if it will try to start that way? I know this sounds dumb, but is the rotor on and seated correctly?(BTDT)
Keep chasing you will find it.
All the best,
Bill
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Leak
Randall was right. I did have multiple problems. Closer inspection of the ground in the distributor plate showed it was connected and tested fine with an ohms check, but in truth was hanging on by just a few threads. Fabricated another and now spark is exceptional out of the wire. Don't ask me how I know that but if you'd like a recommendation of the type screwdriver to test the wire to ground, I can tell you which kind NOT to use.
So...the 3 has spark to the plugs and has fuel to the carbs. Engine cranks but won't catch. Rechecked float specs and they're good. Reset richness to 12 flat start-up specs. So good. Ran a timing light to see if it had jumped time, tested good.
I'm now suspecting a severe enough vacuum leak to keep the gas from being sucked into the chambers. Checked valve lash, no issues. Compression test shows 90 plus in all cylinders. I can't see the intake manifold gasket on the bottom, but that's where it would be...if it is.
Question: with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones hand at the ports of the intake manifold? I'm barely feeling any if at all. Certainly not enough to draw gas in.
Thanks, everyone, for your patience!
Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667
New Hampshire
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:25 -0500
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'Kinderlehrer'" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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FWIW, I'm running Nexen tires on my F-150 pickup, they are just fine.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Kinderlehrer [mailto:kinderlehrer at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:22 PM
To: 'Wbeech at flash.net' <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
Thanks. I was offered other brands, like American Tire and BF Goodrich, but at more than twice the price. These are $80/tire, which is really inexpensive - if it's a decent tire. I've seen the Vredesteins on Coker for $120, but I prefer to buy the tires from the installer.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net [mailto:wbeech at flash.net]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:37:25 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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The thread on TR3 tires got me thinking.? A fire was lit under my lazy
ass, and I am motivated to get back on the track, and the road.? Sitting
in the garage is a squaretail Spit that was a driver many years ago.?
Needed clutch work, which actually got done.? What didn't get done is
bolting the gearbox back in, etc. So part of the new plan involves
getting it back together and running again.? The ultimate goal is to get
the Killer Spitfire back on track and have me drive it in a Kastner Cup
race.? More on that later.? Well, more on that as time goes along I plan
to share my progress and shamelessly seek encouragement and support from
whomever.? The website http://teamfatracing.com should chronicle my
progress, but at the moment it is a snapshot of The Fat Chance Garage
page from 15 or so years ago.
Anyway, what are some currently available, decent tires in 185/60-13?
mjb.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 21:37:46 +0000
From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, "Wbeech at flash.net"
<wbeech at flash.net>, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I don't disagree. I thought it was interesting how moving the tire around the rim, as opposed to those clamp on lead weights, resolved the vibration issue perfectly.
Sincerely,
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
________________________________
From: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:20:37 PM
To: Reihing, Randall S.; Wbeech at flash.net; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace them. I think they are overrated.
From: Reihing, Randall S.
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.
Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.
I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new.
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling. Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.
Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?
Thanks,
Bob
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:36:44 -0700
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Vacuum Leak
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> Question: with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank
> the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones
> hand at the ports of the intake manifold? I'm barely feeling
> any if at all. Certainly not enough to draw gas in.
With only one hand, almost nothing would be normal. There is a balance tube
in the manifold, so you would have to block both openings at the same time.
If you only block one, it just draws from the other.
One trick that works well with recalcitrant engines is to squirt a dollop of
carb cleaner (eg Gumout) into each carb throat just before cranking the
engine. Gumout is actually more flammable than "starting fluid" these days
(they don't sell real ether any more no matter what it says on the can).
If it starts and dies, then you're not getting fuel to the cylinders for
some reason. Blocked jets, not enough choke, or whatever. Lift the float
bowl caps off and check actual fuel level in the bowl; it's not un-heard of
for the float valves to stick closed (especially with the fuel we get here
in CA, which seems to dry to an extremely hard white substance instead of
the old brown gummy varnish).
If it won't fire at all, you're either not getting ignition, or it's at the
wrong time. Clean or change the plugs, test for spark right at a plug
connector, double check that the valves are closed and the piston is near
the top when #1 tries to fire. Note that it's possible to have fire at the
coil and not at the plugs (bad rotor). It's also possible to have a spark
that will jump the gap with the plug out of the engine, but won't make it
under compression. I've had a bad condenser do that to me several times
now, but a bad coil wire (or coil) can do it too.
It's easy for even new plugs to get fouled enough to not fire under
compression. Just being wet with fuel (or oil) can do it. Another trick
that sometimes works is to remove each plug in turn and hold it gently with
pliers while you heat the business end with a propane torch. Keep heating
until there is no more yellow in the flame, or if you never see yellow, the
side electrode glows red. Reinstall the plug and do the next one. Don't
forget it's hot!
-- Randall
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 18:10:22 -0400
From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" <mark at bradakis.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!
Alex Thomson
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 5:37 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
The thread on TR3 tires got me thinking. A fire was lit under my lazy ass, and I am motivated to get back on the track, and the road. Sitting in the garage is a squaretail Spit that was a driver many years ago. Needed clutch work, which actually got done. What didn't get done is bolting the gearbox back in, etc. So part of the new plan involves getting it back together and running again. The ultimate goal is to get the Killer Spitfire back on track and have me drive it in a Kastner Cup race. More on that later. Well, more on that as time goes along I plan to share my progress and shamelessly seek encouragement and support from whomever. The website http://teamfatracing.com should chronicle my progress, but at the moment it is a snapshot of The Fat Chance Garage page from 15 or so years ago.
Anyway, what are some currently available, decent tires in 185/60-13?
mjb.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:17 -0700
From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I've installed Michelin tires on four different cars and been very
happy.? I would not judge a brand based on the OEM version of the
tires.? The manufactures care more about a comfortable ride and things
that help mpg for their overall fleet economy ratings, so even tires
with the same name can be different between the OEM and retail models.
Brian
On 5/31/2019 1:20 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my
> personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I
> could replace them. I think they are overrated.
> *From:* Reihing, Randall S.
> *Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
> *To:* Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
>
> When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck,
> owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a
> balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights
> were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but
> smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.
>
> Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a
> customer), where I buy tires,the salesman said the wheel may be the
> culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin
> Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were
> vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I
> could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.
>
> I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had
> a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't
> use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different
> machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several
> times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel.
> This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration
> free and smooth driving as it was when new.
>
> Randall Reihing
>
> 1959 TR3A
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
> Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
> *To:* Kinderlehrer
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
> I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone
> has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I
> know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
>
> As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have
> run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the
> ground and no rubbing.
>
> Just my thoughts,
> Bill B
> TS30800L
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
> tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel
> and the
> only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
> with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the
> steering
> be even harder?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 09:46:12 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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On 5/31/19 4:10 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!
>
> Alex Thomson
>
Yes, that was one of the first things to do.? I wanted to make sure that
I would have access to sufficient quantities of mechanic's elixir, to be
applied as needed for relief from the pain in back, hip and knee.? I
wanted to keep it chilled, in the proper 12 ounce dose containers, and
the frost buildup was detrimental to proper operation of the, uh,
medicine cabinet. Defrosted now, in fine working order.
mjb.
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