[TR] Paint code

Sun Feb 10 15:31:32 MST 2019

John, you’ve previously discussed that commission number plates were
stamped by wounded veteran servicemen. I’ve always liked that thought.

On Sunday, February 10, 2019, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
wrote:

> Makes me laugh sometimes when this lore comes back. Ye gods, Standard
> could afford to provide a one armed war wounded man a paintbrush!!!
> What so many over the pond continuously fail to appreciate when it comes
> to the wet liner four pot is that the block was common to many different
> uses. The basic block appeared in the TR, Vanguard, Ensign, Leyland 15 and
> 20 later on and in differing sizes for industrial applications. One basic
> block, many different engine types! The “paint codes, colours and shapes”
> were worked out by engine assembly people in line with engine build sheets.
> They knew what they were doing and as long as the correct unit was built,
> no one else worried.
> The story about Sir John Black and returning servicemen is another affair
> of equal import. I wrote it out for TVT some years ago but someone chopped
> lumps out of it and I vetoed the print because it gave a rather different
> and by no means as comprehensive account, and skewed the narrative to
> Black’s disadvantage.
>
> Jonmac
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:34, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My April 1962 TR3B’s engine’s marshaling marks were brushed for sure.
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
>
>> The few that I have seen personally have a brushed appearance. ¾ inch
>> wide, coarse brush. A one armed man can still use a brush.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Don
>> Hiscock
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:25 AM
>> *To:* Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s at aol.com>
>> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps our forum friend John Macartney canl come in with more and better
>> information, but Sir John Black made a real commitment to disabled war
>> vets.  S-T found productive work for many, for years and years.  It
>> wouldn't surprise me at all that one of those positions was marking engines.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:06 AM Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> With reference to the Tr3 engine  block markings I remember reading
>> several years ago along with having conversations a Tr gatherings that at
>> the end of the engine production line there was one employee with only one
>> arm and he was responsible for writing TR 3 using just one finger which he
>> zipped into the orange red paint and scribbled the markings on the engine
>> block. Larry Schwartz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:44 AM, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>>
>> Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange “TR3” after an
>> engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine orange.  Had never seen the china
>> marker markings before.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *Don Hiscock
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM
>> *To:* John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>; Triumphs <
>> triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the
>> tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took
>> their delivery at the factory and toured the Continent.  One can see some
>> of the various marshalling marks on the engines ready to be used on the
>> line.
>>
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney <
>> John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I
>> doubt the majority of people at the factory did either:)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild
>> during restoration.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can’t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack look
>> for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging -
>> and I’ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why they are
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jack Mc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings
>> in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common
>> identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked in
>> engine assembly – but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distinguish
>> the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a North
>> America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many
>> others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they
>> were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting the
>> block, they replaced the code. I’d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have
>> extra marks in their judging books – or even deduct marks if they weren’t
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Jonmac
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.teamnet
>> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *Jim Henningsen
>> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 12:31
>> *To:* wbeech at flash.net
>> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my
>> plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the
>> car.  The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match
>> that would be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn’t to beat everyone in a
>> concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born.  I am not
>> interested in trophies.  Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have
>> sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected
>> restorers of these cars. I’d love to know more specifics on the color and
>> or source that experts in TRA think correct.  Also, I heard Macy’s Garage
>> had an early TR4at the last TRA event.  Does anyone have any detailed
>> photos of that car they could share.  The few I saw looked magnificent and
>> they have such a great reputation.
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>>
>> Jim Henningsen
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>>
>> Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>>
>> If y’all will allow one more “authority” to weigh in, the VTR Judging
>> Guidlines state, “The canister is painted ice blue (specific color unknown)
>> which takes a pale green caste with age.”
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola 8000X
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter
>> canister housings a few years ago.
>>
>> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-
>> oil-filter-bowl/
>> <https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about
>> his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that
>> S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied
>> than getting details "right" around shade.
>>
>>
>>
>> The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it
>> subjects around our cars.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter
>> canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale
>> green.  Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.   Thanks to any
>> concours experts out there.
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala FL
>>
>>
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