[TR] Read the graph at 50/50 mix

[Dave]

I wouldn't call it picking nits, I would call it nipping an urban myth
in the bud.  The difference is subtle the the mechanisms are quite
different.

Yes, there are waterless coolants available but, as your friend pointed
out, they are "too expensive for use in mass produced autos."  Of
course, that is a matter of opinion.  I know someone who is sold on the
stuff.  Not me, though.  E-G is too cheap and too readily available to
get me to commit to an esoteric coolant.

BTW most of the rest of the post is spot on.


Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
To: Dave <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Read the graph at 50/50 mix


Dave,
You're picking nits. B 
The coolant mixture boiling point is still controlled by the water.
B The difference between the boiling point of water alone, and 50/50 mix
is what, 12-17 degrees?
The cap adds points to boiling temp by adding pressure, which stresses
the systems' components.
"It was good enough for grand sire, it's good enough for me". B 
I've since found information that the new waterless coolants have heat
transfer rates at or near that of water.
The main thing, for me, is the ability to run a zero pressure cooling
system. It means components last longer. B In fact, large trucks running
the stuff use it for the life of the engine and components seldom break.
I got a note back from a chemical engineer .. sorry I can't attach it,
but in essence, a 50/50 mix is not ideal as far as combined vapor
pressures. B Water is the most volatile of the mixture, and rather then
composing a straight line mix in the vapor, water grossly predominates
in the evaporate. B When pressure in the system is released due to pump
cavitation in the closed system or suddenly, when you remove the cap,
the more volatile component - water - flashes into evaporate and takes
the glycol with it.


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From: "Dave" <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Read the graph at 50/50 mix
Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 10:44 am


That is still different than the original statement.

"When coolant is mixed 50/50 with water, the water stills boils at 212f
at
sea level."

The effect at 50/50 may be less pronounced but it is still there and
significant. B BTW, antifreeze was formulated to lower the freezing
point, the pressurized system is implemented to raise the boiling point.

Dave



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From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 8:17 am
Subject: [TR] Read the graph at 50/50 mix


Note how slightly higher 50/50 boils. B The water component is the
limited. B Note
boiling point as you reach 100% glycol.
Note comments on cap pressure.
Hope link below isn't stripped.

http://hellafunctional.com/?p=629

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