[Tigers] Rootes Seatbelts (was Tigers ford sticker)

Tue Jan 11 18:38:52 MST 2022

For the Alpines and Tigers rootes offered 2 types of the irin parachute
company belts, both 2 point and 3.
They were mostly a light grey colour, and had a irvin badge attached to the
buckle. post '63 they also had black belts and i assume as a cost saving
measure there was a sticker with Rootes Group and the irvin badge on
the buckle.

 For the sunbeam spec the short one next to the console had a plastic
sleeve to keep it more upright i assume and easier to grab,

The Rootes specific ones actually also had a rootes label stitched to the
base of the belts near the anchor points as opposed to the generic
Irvin belts label.

attached some pics below.

USA dealers obviously would install local brands to make some extra coin...
and as mentioned when chrysler came along and on late sales Britax and
Kangol belts would sometimes make their way onto the cars.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 09:20, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you Jim
>
> Always good to understand different Sunbeam items.
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> Ron Fraser
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> *From:* jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:15 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; 'Will Seay' <
> Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> *Cc:* tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> *Subject:* RE: [Tigers] Rootes Seatbelts (was Tigers ford sticker)
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> Ron,
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> I only know a little about seatbelts for Sunbeams.  My Tiger had Beam
> belts when I purchased it in 1977.  Not sure if they were dealer
> installed.  They are American made, so may have been installed by Rootes in
> New York.  Beam seatbelts are a classic flip design as used in airplanes
> and are still available today in multiple colors.  SeatBeltsPlus carry
> them.  I got new ones from JC Whitney years ago.
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> Kangol seatbelts are the magnetic buckle type.  They were listed by Rootes
> in the Avenger/Cricket parts book.
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> Britex belts were used in many British cars. They were of the push button
> type and listed for the 69 Alpine.
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> Irvin belts were made by the Irvin Parachute Company.   Not sure what
> Rootes vehicle these were listed for.   They are sought after and quite
> expensive.
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> Attached are pictures.  Maybe some of our British or Australian friends
> can shed more light on this.
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> Jim D
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> Sent from my Galaxy
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> -------- Original message --------
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> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
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> Date: 1/11/22 4:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
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> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>, 'Allan Ballard' <
> aballard at ix.netcom.com>, 'Will Seay' <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
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> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers ford sticker
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>
> Jim
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>                 I need to be educated about these types of seatbelts.
> I’m not familiar with the different makes.
>
> Ron Fraser
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> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *jimdamelio
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:22 PM
> *To:* Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>; Will Seay <
> Tigers at embarqmail.com>
> *Cc:* John Watertor <h2otor at aol.com>; jimdamelio via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tigers ford sticker
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> That would be a nice touch to the Beam seatbelts.  I was going.to use the
> LAT 70 spinner decal on mine until I found the Kangol belts.
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> On a side note. I heard back from Rick about the Product of Ford Motor
> Company decal and his response was: "We can't get these now".  He didn't
> say if they would be available again in the future.
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> Jim D
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> Sent from my Galaxy
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> -------- Original message --------
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> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
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> Date: 1/11/22 2:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
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> To: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com>
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> Cc: John Watertor <h2otor at aol.com>, jimdamelio via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers ford sticker
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>  I have a small detail to add to a more general conversation on decals.
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> Some years back, I was given a pair of Sunbeam seatbelt decals - one decal
> for each seatbelt.
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> A picture of one is attached.
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> I assume these decals  fall under the category of “interesting” but not
> factory issue?
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> TIA,
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> -Allan Ballard
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> Atlanta, Georgia
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> [image: image1.jpeg]
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
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> More pictures.  These are my valve covers.  Stickers are as-attached by
> the factory.
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> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
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> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:18 PM GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> It's a shame these are not available.
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> Back in 1992 I got both stickers from Rick at SS, no problem...
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> Gary
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> On 01/09/2022 3:00 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
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> Attached is a picture of my oil fill left side valve cover with the warn
> out sticker.
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> Sent from my Galaxy
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> -------- Original message --------
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> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
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> Date: 1/9/22 12:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
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> To: 'John Watertor' <h2otor at aol.com>
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> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers ford sticker
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> John is mostly correct with his statements.
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> Ford produced both stickers.
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> The Sunbeam or Rootes LTD sticker on one valve cover and the smaller
> Product of Ford Motor Company was place on the other valve cover.
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> The Sunbeam and Rootes LTD sticker could be the one listed in the Parts
> List – 6100161   C4JZ-6404-B  Engine Name Plate.
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> The smaller sticker is not listed as a separate part number.
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> Sometimes the Sunbeam sticker was placed on the other valve cover, for the
> US market that is the passenger side.   I can only guess the smaller
> sticker was placed somewhere on the left valve cover.
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> Attached is a picture I found that shows its position on the right side
> valve cover.   I do not have a picture of the smaller sticker on the left
> valve cover.   If someone has a picture, please send it to the List.
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> Generally, these original stickers do not fair well with heat cycles and
> age.   They have disintegrated and faded with time.
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> Ron Fraser
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> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *John
> Watertor via Tigers
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 08, 2022 10:06 PM
> *To:* tigers at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tigers ford sticker
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> Ford sticker
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> It was on the upper front passenger side of the valve cover. I have a
> original sticker that is in rough shape.
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> When I restored my Tiger I purchased a label for the door sill plates but
> it was larger in width and length.
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> Years ago someone was going to reproduce this sticker but I never saw any
> for sale.
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> John Watertor
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