[Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 103
Joe Brown
jbbrown1980 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 19 16:19:58 MST 2022
If the plunger is too long it will not retract enough to open the
bleed-back hole in the master cylinder. I had this problem when I
installed a new master cylinder that had a too long plunger. It seemed to
work okay until I got a few blocks from home and it locked up. The front
brakes got hot and cooked the rubber pieces and I had to rebuild
everything. It's fun restoring a car when you don't know what you are
doing.
On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Now I am confused. Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer,
> reinsert circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup. Place u end of
> plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.
>
> Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.
>
> What is going on? Ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
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> https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
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> Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.
>
> The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore
> holding everything in.
>
> The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it
> which rarely happens.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
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> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joel Martin
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> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89
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> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <
> jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello all.
>
>
>
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out
> of the rubber boot? Rubber boot was split. There is a circle clip up next
> to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>
>
>
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below
> from the workshop manual.
>
>
>
> My question: How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master
> cylinder so it will not come out?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
> 2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
> 3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
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>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> There are so many oddities here. First, at one end, the plunger should
> have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. That rubber boot
> would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. So since it
> “came out” of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how
> flawed. But FWIW, I can’t imagine how that would happen unless something
> was quite odd in the assembly.
>
>
>
>
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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No
> Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
>
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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> Joel,
>
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip. See #2
> in the attached from the workshop manual.
>
>
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
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>
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>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No
> Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
>
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
>
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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> Yup, it was assembled WRONG.
> Yes, it appears to be assembled according to the photo that was posted
> from the
> shop manual... which is wrong.
>
> The circlip must retain the washer that is captive on the pushrod.
> Pushrod should NOT
> fall out loose from the master cylinder assembly.
>
> Hopefully you did not sustain any injury or damage to your Tiger.
> Gary
>
>
> On 02/17/2022 1:35 PM Jay <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> That totally matches what I would expect to see. That round disc should
> have been on the inside of the clip. So either it was not assembled that
> way, which is odd. Or perhaps the disk is a smaller OD than the ID of the
> MC and the clip.
>
> On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <
> jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hello all.
>
> I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out
> of the rubber boot? Rubber boot was split. There is a circle clip up next
> to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
>
> Here is a picture of my brake setup which does not match the picture below
> from the workshop manual.
>
> My question: How is the brake actuating rod retained in the master
> cylinder so it will not come out?
>
> <My_Brake_plunger.jpg>
>
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, 08:45:16 PM EST, <
> tigers-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Brake Pedal (Joel Martin)
> 2. Re: Brake Pedal (Jay)
> 3. Re: Brake Pedal (Will Seay)
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
>
> Thanks
> There are so many oddities here. First, at one end, the plunger should
> have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in. That rubber boot
> would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke. So since it
> “came out” of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how
> flawed. But FWIW, I can’t imagine how that would happen unless something
> was quite odd in the assembly.
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No
> Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Joel,
> Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip. See #2
> in the attached from the workshop manual.
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> 1966 Tiger MK 1A
>
> I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot. No
> Brakes. Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber
> sleeve going into the master cylinder.
>
> The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled
> the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
>
> It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into
> the master cylinder.
>
> Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
>
> Thanks
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