<div dir="ltr">If the plunger is too long it will not retract enough to open the bleed-back hole in the master cylinder.  I had this problem when I installed a new master cylinder that had a too long plunger.  It seemed to work okay until I got a few blocks from home and it locked up.  The front brakes got hot and cooked the rubber pieces and I had to rebuild everything.  It's fun restoring a car when you don't know what you are doing.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:39 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div>Now I am confused.  Take out circle clip , insert plunger, then washer, reinsert  circle clip, dust boot, return spring, 3/4 cup.  Place u end of plunger in brake pedal, insert Clovis pin, insert cotter.</div><div><br></div><div>Brakes are now engaged and locked up with no pedal being applied.</div><div><br></div><div>What is going on?  Ideas?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div>
        
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                <div><div dir="ltr">Send Tigers mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr">    <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr">    <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr">    <a href="mailto:tigers-request@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers-request@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr">    <a href="mailto:tigers-owner@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers-owner@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br></div>Today's Topics:<br><br>   1. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (Ron Fraser)<br>   2. Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89 (GARY WINBLAD)<br><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807ymsg44263"><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766"><div><div><p><a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=girling+master+brake+repair+youtube&&view=detail&mid=DF31F3F9694CCB04558EDF31F3F9694CCB04558E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgirling%2520master%2520brake%2520repair%2520youtube%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX</a></p><p>  </p><p>  </p><p>Here is a YouTube that might help you understand the assembly.</p><p>The disc on the rod goes into the bore then the circlip fits into the bore holding everything in.</p><p>The hardest part is getting a new rubber boot on without splitting it which rarely happens.</p><p>  </p><p>Ron Fraser </p><p>  </p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b>From:</b> Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger List Serve <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 89</p></div></div><p>  </p><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif">  </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,serif">  </span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyahoo_quoted_5448102710"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 05:36:52 AM EST, Joel Martin <<a href="mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jmartiniii@yahoo.com</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">  </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">  </span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyiv4866135215"><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyiv4866135215yqtfd71559"><div><div><div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">  </span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyiv4866135215ydp4386103dyiv2504392080"><div><div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hello all.</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">  </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.</span></p></div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">  </span></p></div><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyiv4866135215ydp4386103dyiv2504392080yqt20913"><div><div id="gmail-m_-7052236698628692565ydp62138807yiv0125515766ydp9d68e9cyiv4866135215ydp4386103dyiv2504392080ydpf1fea175yiv7324654534"><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Garamond,s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                      I pulled apart the brake actuator today and the whole thing just fell out of the rubber boot?  Rubber boot was split.  There is a circle clip up next to the master cylinder plunger still in place.
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                               There are so many oddities here.  First, at one end, the plunger should  have a disc at the end, with a circlip that holds it in.  That rubber boot would likely hold in the disc, even if the circlip broke.  So since it “came out” of the rubber, it sounds like the center of the disc is some how flawed.  But FWIW, I can’t imagine how that would happen unless something was quite odd in the assembly.
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                                   On Feb 14, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
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                                      I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
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                                      The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
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                                      It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
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                                      Is there suppose to be something else to hold the plunger in place?
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                                Your master cylinder was apparently assembled without the circlip.  See #2 in the attached from the workshop manual.
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                                On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
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                                   I had a little scare the other day backing out of the DMV parking lot.  No Brakes.  Discovered that the brake plunger had come out of the rubber sleeve going into the master cylinder.
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                                   The only thing that could have happened is when I got out, my foot pulled the pedal back towards the interior and this pulled the plunger out.
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                                   It only had the spring, plunger and rubber plug to hold the plunger into the master cylinder.
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