[Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

[R Flynn]

Another seemingly final update ... as a reminder
- Changed intake manifold (Edelbrock Performer, #2121)
- While doing so, discovered oil pump drive shaft was lacking the usual
retaining clip with the predictable result
- Dropped oil pan & sorted that out with a beefed up version (ARP 154-7904)
and 1 piece Fel-Pro oil pan gasket (OS 13260 T)
- Buttoned it all back up & tried firing it up

At this point it was clear that something was amiss with the electrics,
consulted this group for advice ...
- Solenoid activated but starter motor didn't engage
- Checked grounds, all clean, 2 grounding straps discovered
  (1 in the usual place, 1 between LH engine bay support & boss just below
cylinder head)
- Tested solenoid, fine
- That left the original starter motor which once removed was confirmed to
be non-functioning
- Replaced with Summit Racing Protorque (SUM-820055) mini starter
w/integrated solenoid
    - Goes in & out without needing to move or loosen headers, engine
mounts etc.
      (hopefully I'll never have to mess with it again, but if I do big
improvement)
    - Easy access to connections when installed
    - Existing solenoid effectively gets used as a junction block (minimal
rewiring)
    - Finally got a look at the block's casting code (C5AE-6015E)
      (engine isn't original to the car, always wondered ...)
- Fired it up and after a few backfires, got the timing sorted

Of course this is when the heater valve decided to start leaking
aggressively ... classic stuff, replacement will be ordered shortly,
installed, and then I will revisit the timing *just to be sure*.

Cheers to all who have replied on the list & directly - you have all been
most helpful!


On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 11:08, R Flynn <flynnr2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> UPDATE & some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs
> to heal ...
> - Put car up on stands, dropped oil pan
> - No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan
>   (either never there or fractured & came out with a previous oil change
> perhaps)
> - New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (& new
> gasket) installed
> - Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now,
> found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.
>   (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient,
> nice bit of design)
>
> Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under load but
> certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions
>
> 1) Any suggestions as to cause?
> - Battery is fully charged, just came off conditioner
> - Solenoid is less than 2Y old
> - The starting system electrics were working fine before this adventure
> began
>
> 2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs
> headers)?
> - It won't come out with headers & oil pan in situ
> - I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow
> garage space
> - *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient
> route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)
> - Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) oil
> pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) that I
> really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was leaving it
> for another day ...)
>
> 3) Any recommendations on whether one of those  "mini starters" would be a
> good replacement & easier to get in / out without having to remove engine
> mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?
> - DaleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context
>
> Cheers in advance,
>
> Rick
>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn <flynnr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on
>> the ‘65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the
>> oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.
>> - tried jiggling the rotor
>> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure
>> to the distributor, though I was doing both
>> - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself
>> in different orientations
>>
>> My next attempts will involve
>> - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet
>> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to
>> inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered
>>
>> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.
>>
>> Cheers in advance,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> --
>> rick
>> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp
>>
>
>
> --
> rick
> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp
>


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rick
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