[Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 9, Issue 257 ignition

Tue Oct 17 08:58:31 MDT 2017

Have had the same issue, driving for twenty to thirty minutes then all of a
sudden no power ,while I'm still rolling I shut the ign wait two to four
seconds restart the car and drive off, it may happen again or not. Fuel
pump is only two years old with low mileage but the pertronix is at lease 8
to 10 . Kind of difficult to accurately determine cause.
   Beau
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Today's Topics:

   1. Pertronix Ignition (James Burruss)
   2. Rear Suspension (Darrell Mountjoy)
   3. Re: Tail Housing (Tony Lang)
   4. Re: Pertronix Ignition (Ron Fraser)

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:35:06 -0500
From: "James Burruss" <cburruss at wowway.com>
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Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition
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On a Saturday drive, my Tiger's engine shut off instantly as if the ignition
key had been turned off.  It would not restart.  I suspected that the car's
Pertronix II ignition had died, as they have been known to do.  Mine had
been reliable for several years, although the car is not driven often any
more.  I had the car taken home on a rollback.

This morning, I began a series of checks.  I ruled out the ignition switch
as a possible culprit because the starter, gauges and fuel pump all worked.
I checked the wiring connections, coil resistance, voltage to the coil, and
even fuel in the carburetor; all were fine.  So I connected an induction
timing light to confirm that there was no spark - except that there was!
Then I got in the car and started it.  It ran fine.

Which brings me to my question for those who have experience with these
ignition systems:  Are they known to become intermittent due to heat?
Saturday was a warm day, mid-80s, the car had been driven moderately for
about 10 miles and its temperature was normal.   Needless to say, I no
longer trust this system; but I would appreciate knowledgeable comments
and/or recommendations for a replacement ignition for a stock 260.

Many thanks!

Jim Burruss

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:10:05 -0700
From: "Darrell Mountjoy" <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
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Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension
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Guys,

I really like the handling of the old axle housing in my Tiger with a 4-link
plus Watts link. There's no suspension binding even at the limits.  The
weight distribution is good and the car is pretty neutral coming out of a
left or right turn.  I'm happy.

Darrell

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:48:50 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: Don Saueressig <dsausig at gmail.com>
Cc: Tiger's Den <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Suspension
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 "If you want a old car the really handles, pick up a good used Miata."

Awesome line!

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Don Saueressig via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I considered installing a better rear suspension, and front
> suspension, on my racing tiger as a exercise of spending a lot of time
> and money ? just to see how much faster it would go."  Check out the
> independent rear suspension kit factory 5 sells for their cobras on their
web site.
> Looks like it, or parts of it, could be adapted to the tiger.  Google
> factory five rear suspension.  After considering it, my opinion, at
> least for now,  is keep the Tiger as original as possible.  If you
> want a old car the really handles, pick up a good used Miata.  Don.
>

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:12:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tony Lang <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>,  Denis
        <denisetlouise at live.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tail Housing
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Denis. I have the Dale AMC 5 Speed and I can get you a pic of the tail
shaft or answer any questions a pic will answer. I searched a ton of
salvage yards prior to finding the AMC 5 speed I sent to Dale. They aren't
easy to locate since so many cars have been mashed.

Tony Lang (TtT)

    On ?Sunday?, ?October? ?15?, ?2017? ?07?:?10?:?48? ?AM? ?CDT, Denis via
Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi all.

Is someone know where i can get a photo of AMC Spirit/ Concord
transmission?tail housing

#1352-066-901

Thanks

Denis.

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:20:20 -0400
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'James Burruss'" <cburruss at wowway.com>, <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition
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Jim

                I've been running a Pertronix ignition with no problems for
over 30 years.   The one time I had a failure like yours was going to Big
Sky SUNI - coil failed; fortunately the last spare part I packed for the
trip was a Ford yellow top coil.   Drove to Buffalo Wyoming to buy a spare
coil just in case.

I have heard that some Pertronix ignition modules have had problems but I
don't know how to check them maybe somewhere on the internet.

Always check all the wire connections of the ignition.

The coil connection posts should be at a low point to keep any air bubble in
the coil away from those posts.

Another possibility I've heard of is the ballast resistor sometimes gets
loose, heats up, moves and contacts ground which immediately shuts off the
ignition.  When it cools - it works again.   Upon a failure you could bypass
the ballast resistor and put a constant 12v to the coil or carry a spare
ballast resistor to determine if it is the cause of the problem.   It would
be best to find the exact cause of the failure.

I believe Accel has a similar ignition module but I have not tracked how
well it works.

Points and condenser are always your fallback position.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James
Burruss via Tigers
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition

On a Saturday drive, my Tiger's engine shut off instantly as if the ignition
key had been turned off.  It would not restart.  I suspected that the car's
Pertronix II ignition had died, as they have been known to do.  Mine had
been reliable for several years, although the car is not driven often any
more.  I had the car taken home on a rollback.

This morning, I began a series of checks.  I ruled out the ignition switch
as a possible culprit because the starter, gauges and fuel pump all worked.
I checked the wiring connections, coil resistance, voltage to the coil, and
even fuel in the carburetor; all were fine.  So I connected an induction
timing light to confirm that there was no spark - except that there was!
Then I got in the car and started it.  It ran fine.

Which brings me to my question for those who have experience with these
ignition systems:  Are they known to become intermittent due to heat?
Saturday was a warm day, mid-80s, the car had been driven moderately for
about 10 miles and its temperature was normal.   Needless to say, I no
longer trust this system; but I would appreciate knowledgeable comments
and/or recommendations for a replacement ignition for a stock 260.

Many thanks!

Jim Burruss

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