[Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 8, Issue 117
Warren Goodman
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Sat Jun 11 16:21:30 MDT 2016
Tigers United sale on AC Air Filter Housings $425 cash and carry . I have really enjoyed the sales of the units and met lot's of great guys in in Tiger world. When we are sold out there will be no second pressing. It took 3 different guys to get em made and although the partnership owns the molds we can't do another run. Get em before they are gone.....
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:03:03 -0400
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Teepen, Jere'" <jteepen at usatoday.com>, <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
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According to TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II. The Jensen Project Prototype was a Series III.
G. Robson Book ? my guess is Shelby wanted to change the steering rack position and the front suspension geometry. I also believe the next concern was the rear axle and suspension. These seem to have been his main concerns and there were probably others. Funny, the same ones we have today. Maybe a look at the race Tigers would give more hints about the direction he envisioned. Remember $10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes so far and Rootes was not interested in making major, read that expensive changes to the Alpine platform.
Ron Fraser
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: J Clark <icanhandyman at yahoo.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
I have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production had gone that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were Series 2 (Ken Miles) and 3 (Shelby).
I am now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby may have proposed?
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J Clark via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")
to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me.
Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to
Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may
have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby the gig, rather than Jensen.
Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,
leading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's contents.
One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:07:29 -0400
From: Warren Goodman <wjtwgoodman at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 8, Issue 114
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Fakebook ! Like us now that's a big ask.
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3. Re: Resistance is futile... (Ramon Spontelli)
4. Re: Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer? (David Sosna)
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:54:27 -0400
From: Rollright at aol.com
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Subject: [Tigers] mushy Wilwood brakes
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What brake fluid are you running? Is it dot 4 or dot 5
Jim Armstrong
Mk 1A
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:33:28 -0500
From: "Jim McLaughlin" <jimmc13 at socket.net>
To: "'Rob Hogan'" <robertdhogan at gmail.com>, <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Activity
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Rob:
I really like my 10 and 3/4? front brakes, I used this size as I still
have 13 inch wheels. The setup work very well as I have a Wilwood
proportioning valve to adjust front to rear effort to my driving style, or perhaps
lack of. One problem I have is that I use a 1980 Subaru Brat M/C to gain a
dual chamber master, this has turned out to be the weak link. While I got
plenty of help from Wilwood Tech about setup, when I asked for then to
recommend a dual chamber M/C I have not heard back and it?s been over a year. I
drive the car fairly regularly, it runs and stops great, brake pedal is
soft on initial press of pedal. Brakes have been bled several times and the
M/C does not leak and no fluid has been lost. I do need a line on a better
Master. The great is quite fast and I would say my stopping confidence for
me driving is about 80 to 85% sat. My son told me the pedal is too mushy
for him. My wife will not drive it yet, so just my oldest son and I have
driven it. So th
is needs
attention. I am still looking.
The actual caliper setup with drums on the rear is awesome for street use
and maybe when a new M/C is fitted something a little more, noting the car
is very fast!
By the way I used Classic tube hard lines for the car except for the M/C
connections in the engine bay to the valve, they are custom bent. I would
use this method again for another Tiger, but it would have to be Midnight
Blue (58)!!!
Jim
From: Rob Hogan [mailto:robertdhogan at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:28 AM
To: Jim McLaughlin <jimmc13 at socket.net>
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Jim,
Have you had a large amount of driving experience with the front Wilwood
and rear drum brake setup?
I am considering that same brake combination and also whether to convert
the rear brakes to Wilwood disks with Dale's kit.
What I'm trying ta assess is how much better the front only conversion is
in comparison to the stock Tiger brakes and also the full conversion to the
front only Wilwood disks. Any advice on what you may have learned would
be very helpful.
Rob
Rob Hogan
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jim McLaughlin via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:
Tiger listers:
I seem to continue to receive info from you folks. I would offer that as
a former member of facebook, I utilize and appreciate and use this list
almost daily, sometimes even add when I have something to offer.
As for social media, consider this, I closed my facebook account over 2
years ago when they were exposed conducting an experiment posting positive
and negative info to selected facebook members as an unannounced experiment,
really, I personally do not need to be part of this BS nor will I.
Here is the result of your contributions to my restoration effort, a 1966
Mark1(a) Tiger with a modified 260, posit track rear-end, Wilwood front
discs, stock rear drums, a really nice car, oh yes, Martha C. interior.
So thanks and let?s consider this one of the reasons to keep going.
Jim McLaughlin
B382000175LRXFE
P.S. at St Mary?s Aldermanbury (Christopher Wren) in Fulton, MO originally
destroyed during the battle of London in WW2 and given by the people of
the UK to Fulton after Churchill?s Iron Curtain speech.
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<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> ] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:04 AM
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At 09:38 AM 6/7/2016, Tom Hall via Tigers wrote:
Not having received anything frim the Tiger List since may 27th, I sent a
test message to the List and received three responces. One of the
responders copied the list. I got his responce in my personel mail, but no cc from
the list. There is nothing from the list in my Comcast spam file! What
gives?
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:09:52 -0500
From: "James Burruss" <cburruss at wowway.com>
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Subject: [Tigers] Facebook? No!
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Add my vote against using Facebook - for anything.
Jim Burruss
'65 unrestored Tiger
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:03:23 -0700
From: "Ramon Spontelli" <rspontelli at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Resistance is futile...
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<< Amend, I also avoid Facebook.>>
I call it Farcebook.
Ramon
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:17:15 -0400
From: Larry Paulick <lpaulick1 at verizon.net>
To: Larry Wright <lwright at impactoffice.com>
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Amend, I also avoid Facebook.
Larry Paulick
> On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Larry Wright via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> "From what I can tell Facebook seems to be absorbing lists like this, and
dedicated automotive websites."
>
> Well, I've been avoiding involvement with Facebook for some time, and
would prefer this not to happen for the Tiger community. Not that I'd be
missed...
>
> Larry Wright, Seabrook MD
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:29:33 -0700
From: David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?
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Hi Jon:
Punctuation seems okay.
Wasn't the Ken Miles prototype a pointy-fin (Series III)?
Best Regards
David Sosna
On 6/10/2016 12:13 AM, J Clark via Tigers wrote:
> Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G.
> Robson book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")
> to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a
> copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me.
> Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of
> questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to
> Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the
> Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may
> have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby
> the gig, rather than Jensen.
>
> Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being
> built with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,
> leading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's contents.
>
> One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
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