[Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

[Dave Barakat]

Ron….my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for the filter for both motors (260 & 289)



> On Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> Andy
> 	Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 qts
> of oil in no matter what filter you are using.
> 
> You have to understand that the dip stick reads wrong; you need to
> understand where the 5 qt level is now on the dip stick and where the ADD
> level is located.
> 
> This all got me to thinking - what was the original Ford recommendation for
> oil capacity in the 60's?
> 
> I just found 1 reference that indicates the following:
> 63 - 64 260	4 qts
> 63 - 65 289 4 qts
> 66 - 67 289 5 qts
> 
> Anyone else have this information for the Ford 260 and 289 engines in the
> States?
> 
> Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra qt was for the
> oil lines.
> 
> To me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan shape
> changed for 1966.
> Very Interesting!!!
> 
> I just located another reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines 4 qts
> - add 1 qt if new filter.
> Back to 5 qts with filter change.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: awtiger at cox.net [mailto:awtiger at cox.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Dave Barakat'
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
> 
> 
> Ron:
> 
> I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with five
> quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have
> run the engine and circulated the oil.  My 260 has the reproduction dipstick
> and tube also.  All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line is that
> the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our
> dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, correct?
> 
> Andy 
> 
> ----  Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 
>> Dave
>> 
>>    It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part further.
>> 
>> The dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.
>> 
>> Parts List 6601334
>> 1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
>> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a
> Ford
>> part
>> C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
>> 
>> 6100489    C2OZ-6754-A    Tube - Oil level indicator
>> 
>> Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine
>> C3OZ-6750-B    22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield
> to
>> tip
>> C2OZ-6754-A    Tube
>> 
>> This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the 
>> Tiger.
>> 
>> Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick.  
>> The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure this 
>> prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new part - 
>> possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a 
>> Ford Industrial Group supplied part.
>> 
>> The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield 
>> with only a slight bend.
>> 
>> The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being reproduced by Scott Drake.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Barakat [mailto:dave.barakat at icloud.com]
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM
>> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
>> Cc: Andy Walker; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
>> 
>> 
>> Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube 
>> against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  
>> "dipstick for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number 
>> given.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave
>>    It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm 
>> not sure I have the original in my engine either.
>> 
>> Parts List 6601334
>> 1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
>> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a
> Ford
>> part
>> C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
>> There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
>> 
>> Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some 
>> measurements.
>> 
>> The original dip stick & tube measurements are:
>> Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" 
>> cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" 
>> from tip.
>> --
>> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating 
>> ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the 
>> tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting 
>> wing".
>> --
>> With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9
> 1/2"
>> out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the
>> bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") 
>> David Franchi
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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