<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ron….my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for the filter for both motors (260 & 289)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Andy<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 qts<br class="">of oil in no matter what filter you are using.<br class=""><br class="">You have to understand that the dip stick reads wrong; you need to<br class="">understand where the 5 qt level is now on the dip stick and where the ADD<br class="">level is located.<br class=""><br class="">This all got me to thinking - what was the original Ford recommendation for<br class="">oil capacity in the 60's?<br class=""><br class="">I just found 1 reference that indicates the following:<br class="">63 - 64 260<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4 qts<br class="">63 - 65 289 4 qts<br class="">66 - 67 289 5 qts<br class=""><br class="">Anyone else have this information for the Ford 260 and 289 engines in the<br class="">States?<br class=""><br class="">Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra qt was for the<br class="">oil lines.<br class=""><br class="">To me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan shape<br class="">changed for 1966.<br class="">Very Interesting!!!<br class=""><br class="">I just located another reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines 4 qts<br class="">- add 1 qt if new filter.<br class="">Back to 5 qts with filter change.<br class=""><br class="">Ron Fraser<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:awtiger@cox.net" class="">awtiger@cox.net</a> [<a href="mailto:awtiger@cox.net" class="">mailto:awtiger@cox.net</a>] <br class="">Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>; 'Dave Barakat'<br class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net" class="">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br class="">Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Ron:<br class=""><br class="">I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with five<br class="">quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have<br class="">run the engine and circulated the oil. My 260 has the reproduction dipstick<br class="">and tube also. All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line is that<br class="">the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our<br class="">dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, correct?<br class=""><br class="">Andy <br class=""><br class="">---- Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote: <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Dave<br class=""><br class=""> It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part further.<br class=""><br class="">The dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.<br class=""><br class="">Parts List 6601334<br class="">1224808 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br class="">6100734 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br class=""></blockquote>Ford<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">part<br class="">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br class=""><br class="">6100489 C2OZ-6754-A Tube - Oil level indicator<br class=""><br class="">Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine<br class="">C3OZ-6750-B 22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield<br class=""></blockquote>to<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">tip<br class="">C2OZ-6754-A Tube<br class=""><br class="">This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the <br class="">Tiger.<br class=""><br class="">Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick. <br class="">The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure this <br class="">prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new part - <br class="">possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a <br class="">Ford Industrial Group supplied part.<br class=""><br class="">The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield <br class="">with only a slight bend.<br class=""><br class="">The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being reproduced by Scott Drake.<br class=""><br class="">Ron Fraser<br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Dave Barakat [<a href="mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com" class="">mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com</a>]<br class="">Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a><br class="">Cc: Andy Walker; <a href="mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net" class="">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube <br class="">against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as <br class="">"dipstick for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number <br class="">given.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" class="">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Dave<br class=""> It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick. I'm <br class="">not sure I have the original in my engine either.<br class=""><br class="">Parts List 6601334<br class="">1224808 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br class="">6100734 Oil Level indicator NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br class=""></blockquote>Ford<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">part<br class="">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br class="">There is no indication about when this part change occurred.<br class=""><br class="">Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some <br class="">measurements.<br class=""><br class="">The original dip stick & tube measurements are:<br class="">Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" <br class="">cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" <br class="">from tip.<br class="">--<br class="">Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating <br class="">ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the <br class="">tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting <br class="">wing".<br class="">--<br class="">With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9<br class=""></blockquote>1/2"<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the<br class="">bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") <br class="">David Franchi<br class="">Ron Fraser<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">No virus found in this message.<br class="">Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" class="">www.avg.com</a><br class="">Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10749 - Release Date: 10/03/15<br class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>