[Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 350

Fri Oct 2 13:02:18 MDT 2015

Joel

My 175x70x13 spare fits fine length and width wise, but does rub against the bottom of the wood floor.

Universal has a 165x80x13 whitewall...but only in wide. Might be a bit much.

Jim

From: Joel Martin via Tigers 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 1:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 350

RE:  Spare Tire and wheel

Ok, now my head is starting to hurt.  Great information but having a time deciding on using the wheel I have or getting another.

I have a 1966 Mk 1A Tiger.  The wheel I have has the '63' year code on it.  Appears the early Alpine wheels were updated with another road wheel with reinforced holes - Thanks Rande Bellman for this information.  So Tiger's had the reinforced holes with the updated reinforced holes.  Strike 2 on my 63 wheel, wrong date and non reinforced holes, while just to be used as a spare, different 15" wheels planned for on the ground, maybe should not matter.  Anyone like to trade a '63' wheel for a 66 wheel?

Colors:  paint the entire wheel 'semi-gloss black'
Outisde:  Foam white has been discussed for the wheel color but I do not know for sure if that is correct.
Rootes code 8 Foam White - Berger code 404.1137    ICI 3255
The DuPont Historical Color Library for Rootes Motors Inc - Lists Foam White (grey) and a Foam White
Foam White (grey) - IC 562
Foam White            IC 96

Thanks Ron for the above color information  - I have not contacted paint store to see if they could create a couple of rattle cans if they can find the IC 562 or  Rootes code 8 Foam White - Berger code 404.1137    ICI 3255 paint code.

I determine the 5.90 x 13 and 6.00 x 13 to translate to a 165 x 80 x13 tire size and would like to find a modern radial - no luck yet.

Thanks to Dale A for recommending MileStar Touring SE tires as a pretty much dead ringer for the original tires.

Their MS775 has the white wall but they carry 2 sizes:

P155/80/R13 with a outside diameter of 22.8.
P175/80/R13 with a outside diameter of 24.0

Calculated available space in the trunk for spare wheel and tire is about 24", so the P175 would probably rub all around but do not know for sure.  Any thoughts or experience.

The 165/80/13 would probably be the best if you can find them.  Thoughts on all of the above?

Fort Bragg has been firing their big guns since before sun up and the windows are rattling every minute - think I will go get the trucks oil changed, have some local brewed beer with a cup of bison chili, while I wait as it has been raining here for about 8 straight days here in NC.

Oh, the hard top is ready today to pick up after PPG gloss black paint applied.  I had the top soda blasted, then got the rest of the rust sandblasted in all the corners by yours truly then onto the paint shop.  If I could just get the wheels and door chroming finishing strip back with seats coming next week, time for a road test.  5-6 years in the making - starting to get excited.  Now on to the micro brew and chili.

Regards
Joel Martin

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Tiger's 50th birthday today (Derrick Schmidt)
  2. Re: Tiger Spare Tire & Rim (michael king)
  3. Tiger road wheels (snakebit289)

      Lived in Santa Monica / Palisades / Malibu for 35 years. Surfed in Oxnard / Ventura a lot and for 2-3 years my girlfriend (now wife) lived in Goleta. We both know that rock very well and can spot that stretch of PCH in milliseconds!

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        Took her for a drive on PCH- you may recognize the iconic rock from many car commercials 

There is a theory the alpine and tiger wheels are different, there I think was a change in wheel design by rootes where they added the strengthening rib next to each lug hole, this may have been started due to tigers, but became common to alpine and even other rootes cars.
Thanks Bill,
I thought my Tiger orig spare was in
good shape but your Alpine one
blows it away.
Your pics points out another point,
Tiger and Alpine wheels ARE different
around the wheel nuts.
Gary

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On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Bill Waite via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Although this info is not about a Tiger's spare tire and rim, it might add a bit to the discussion.  Especially in relation to the tire types and rim color.  I am a long time owner of two Tigers (Mark II purchased in 1978 and Mark I in 1979). However, in November of 2011 I purchased a '66 Series V Alpine (B395008497 OD LRX) from the original owner. The car has only 66,435 miles on it... original paint, engine, interior, etc. It is a real survivor that has been well cared for over the years. 

  This posting is regarding that car's spare tire. The original owner said he had never used it... and that it was the original. I have posted photos, below.  I believe the tire is actually the original one... and it sure looks unused based on the "nibs" (not sure what to call them) that are still intact on the tire, etc. 

  One thing I noticed: as mentioned by others, it appears that the wheels were first painted black... then the front side was painted the "Off White/ very light Grey" color... as the "over-spray" is clearly visible on the backside of this spare. Also: this tire has a wheel weight stamped with the Dunlop logo. This may support the idea that it is original?

  Please see photos at this link (hope this works):

  http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/fordlandia/library/1966%20SERIES%20V%20ALPINE%20ORIGINAL%20SPARE

  It may not be correct to assume that the same approach was used on the MKIA Tigers.  But, seems likely (although the wheel might be a bit different?).

  Regards,

  Bill Waite
  Grand Rapids, MI

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    2. Fwd: MKI original spare tire (Gary Winblad)
  Joel:

  I'm at work right now and do not have access to my copy of TBON, but I seem to recall that the MkIIs had stock steel wheels that were painted a silver color on both sides, while the Mk1 and Mk1A wheels were painted black on the inside of the wheel and white on the outside.  If I'm not mistaken, I believe the correct color ID for the outside wheel color was "Seafoam Gray," or something like that.  I contacted Tower Paint in Appleton, WI, years ago and gave them the afore-mentioned name of the correct Rootes color and they were able to mix me several cans of it to spray my wheels with.  

  Jay was correct in his description of the spray method.  The wheels were evidently painted black and then the "Seafoam Gray" was applied to the outside surface of the wheel with no effort by the factory to mask off the inside surface.  It is proper to have a little overspray come through and land on the black surface of the inside of the wheel, so don't worry about that.  

  Hope this helps,
  Andy 

  ---- Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 
  > Tom
  > What I find for the MK II, silver is correct but Mk 1A's are different.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > MK 1A owners or knowledgeable persons?
  > 
  > Joel 
  > 
  > 
  >      On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:15 AM, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >    
  > 
  >  For what it's worth, my Mark 2 rims are grey on both sides, no evidence obvious of any black paint on the rear. As far as I know the wheels are original, untouched (the condition of the car when I bought it in 1976 was, at best, "rough," I doubt the rims were repainted.
  > Tom'67 Mark 2
  > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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  > My trunk is finally complete except for the spare tire,wheel and lug nuts that would go with whatever wheel is used.  I still have some questions and here is what I havefound so far. Dunlop 590 x 13” RS5 with a 1” white sidewall orGoodyear “Made in England 600 x 13” Roadway Speed with a 1”white sidewall Wheel – standard steel 4-1/2” x 13” rimPainted black – Is this gloss black or another black, semi,satin, flat?Then re-sprayed a gray-white on the front – what does thismean?  The entire front of the wheel/rimor just a portion?  Any rattle can paintcan number anyone could provide? I would like to find a current tire replacement ‘size’,165x80x13 as an example of what matches the 590x13” or 600x13”designation.  What does 590 or 600x13translate to? Does anyone have a picture of what the wheel and tire shouldbe from the front with the 1” white sidewall and this ‘gray-white on the front’is suppose to look like that they would share? I have some LAT wheels with the markings on the inside of“SRC 1300, 5.5 X 1300, patent pending, ?celes cali?”    As measured from the inside of the lip, they are 5.5” wide. The steel wheel, chrome ring and cap that I have is 4.5”wide from the inside of the lip but has no markings on it that I can find,inside or outside.  Should there be?Please see attached picture and tell me if this is a correct Tiger MK 1A sparewheel or what this might have come off of? I have had this wheel for so many years and no idea where I got it. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. RegardsJoel Martin
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  Joel,
  Here (hopefully you can see them) are pictures of my original spare
  from my MKI B9470622..  (black, grey-white front, Dunlop RS5).
  Note the /64 datecode.  Your picture looks like /63 datecode, not
  sure if that could have been left over long enough for your MKIa but
  maybe...
  You also have the early MKI "crosshatch" trim ring, pretty sure you
  should have the later style.
  HTH,
  Gary

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To build on what was just posted to this group, there was a problem with metal around the lug stud holes, and a new wheel with reinforced holes was substituted for the Tiger, dated Jan 1965(according to a parts catalogue change) and the very same wheel  replaced all Series 3, Series IV, and Series V Alpines when the Alpine portion of the catalogue(3rd revision) was published circa Feb 1965. According to the parts catalogue, it also replaces wheels on Alpine Series II after car serial # B9107290.

The updated road wheel is part number 1214930. Two of the wheels that came with my Tiger are stamped with the updated number. Using the valve stem hole as the 12 OClock position, this stamping is at the 6 OClock postion and an additional number (65 on one wheel of my car and 66 on the other) is at the 9 OClock position. If your road wheels were in the same condition as mine, you may have to take a wire brush to the wheels to remove layers of paint to see the number.

Rande Bellman
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