[Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)

[Tod Brown]

On 5/24/2015 9:18 PM, Smit, Theo wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> Certainly that is the case now – if one had the original block for a 
> given Tiger, it would be worth it to sleeve the block if necessary in 
> order to preserve the originality for a stock restoration, rather than 
> putting in a 289 for “appearance-correct” restoration.
>
> In the past, though, I’m sure lots of the 260’s were removed and 
> discarded even if they were running fine, just to get the extra cubes 
> available in a 289 or 302.
>
> For what it’s worth regarding serial numbers, build sequence, etc: My 
> Tiger is the second-last Mk1A by VIN, and I still have the original 
> HEH-E gearbox for it with the correct (per TBON) ID number. A previous 
> owner substituted a 5 bolt 289 for the 260 at some point and the 
> original engine was gone long before I got the car. It was built after 
> they had started the Mk2 production line, presumably to use up Mk1A 
> parts… and drivelines. Any story about late Mk1A Tigers with factory 
> 289’s ignores the fact that the Mk2 Tigers had 6 bolt 289’s and wide 
> ratio HEH-CF (or HEH-B?) gearboxes, and the Rootes production line 
> would (should?) never have been supplied with 5-bolt 289 engines 
> paired with close ratio HEH-E gearboxes unless Ford made a major mistake.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
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> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM
> To: 'Tod Brown' <todbrown at roadrunner.com 
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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on eBay (michael king)
>
> Message
> Tod
>     Just because they say it is a 289 doesn't make it so.
> I did not look so I can't say for sure on this Tiger but the only way 
> to know to be sure is by the block casting number.
> IMO it is a shame to change out an original 260 engine unless it broke 
> badly.
> Ron Fraser
>
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>
>     And, of course, it has a 289.
>
>     Interestingly(at least to me), this car's serial number is only 10
>     after mine (2394 vs. 2384).
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Tod
>     B382002384LRXFE
>     TAC 864
>     original rivets
>     original engine
>
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Theo:

Despite the rumors to the contrary, I tend to agree with Ron's 
conclusion that there were never any MkIA's provided with 289's from the 
factory. There certainly have never been any documented cases of such 
and the evidence from your car of it being a 260 (originally) with the 
HEH-E gearbox bears this conclusion out. I find it very interesting that 
the build date on yourcar is after the startup of MkII manufacture. It 
doesn't seem that there is any other logical explanation for such cars 
to have the 260/HEH-E combination except to use up existing stock. Of 
course, the operational word here is "logical". There is an awful lot of 
history regarding Tiger production that we just don't know and maybe 
never will. At the same time, things do gradually come out, even after 
fifty years. Some recent investigations by Graham Vickery in England and 
Buck Trippel in the Rootes archives and elsewhere hold some promise of 
new discoveries. Stay tuned!

Cheers,

Tod
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