[Spridgets] Iran, NATO and Europe - obviously no LBC

Fri Mar 20 12:26:02 MDT 2026

I'm already in California.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 9:26 AM Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Because one day the politicians will come for our cars and force us to buy
> something with a big battery in it?
>
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 15:26, Monty Love via Spridgets <
> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> How about we keep our politics to ourselves on this list and try to enjoy
>> the cars.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 10:02 AM David Woerpel via Spridgets <
>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Amen to all both of you wrote. Especially Larry's closing plea.
>>> I'm just beginning my 8th decade(79) and a student of history.  Our
>>> close friends in Australia have the same fears and opinions as UK and
>>> Europe.  Different perspectives help us see the total picture.
>>> 1st day of Spring!!  Approaching 60*F here in Cheeseland so may drop the
>>> tank on the Bugeye to replace the sending unit seal. Hardest part is
>>> emptying the boot.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DaveW
>>>
>>> '59:{)
>>> '59 MGA 1500
>>> 'Pay It Forward"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026, 7:38 AM Larry Macy via Spridgets <
>>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points,
>>>> but would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is
>>>> insulting and bitching at NATO countries.
>>>>
>>>> I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst
>>>> relationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in those
>>>> decades. Treating Russia as a “friend” over NATO, Iran and Ukraine is the
>>>> bottom of the barrel in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Spridgeteers, Please don’t t make this a mess. It is simply the opinion
>>>> of an Englishman and an American.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33 AM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
>>>> spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to post some thoughts on Iran, NATO and Europe that simply
>>>> aren't being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose
>>>> reporters seem to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.
>>>>
>>>> The news isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and
>>>> continues to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.  I believe
>>>> that Iran is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted)
>>>> over decades by Russia and China.  I have heard that Chinese technicians
>>>> aiding Iran firing missiles have been killed.  So if America decides to
>>>> attack Iran that's ok by me in a broad sense.  Iran with nuclear weapons
>>>> would be a disaster for the world.
>>>>
>>>> NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.
>>>> NATO is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member's aggression
>>>> needs some backup.  Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any other
>>>> country and arguably it has had the most back.  Europe provided the buffer
>>>> for the USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decided
>>>> was worth paying.  Well times change and the USSR not longer exists but
>>>> former members are a threat.  The flipside to the coin that isn't discussed
>>>> is not whether all the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple do)
>>>> but could America spend less?
>>>>
>>>> America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats
>>>> and attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators
>>>> aren't saying so.  America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr
>>>> Putin and Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has given
>>>> to Iran.  Well I guess it might be in America's interest to say little and
>>>> not state what is close to being obvious.
>>>>
>>>> What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and
>>>> European countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not
>>>> answering a call to aid from America.  It is India, China and other eastern
>>>> countries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and European
>>>> countries.  It's also worth considering what countries are in NATO.  Well
>>>> Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its
>>>> territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance of
>>>> the USA.  What about the European countries in NATO?  Well they are still
>>>> very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still
>>>> Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they ought to
>>>> be doing.
>>>>
>>>> It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely
>>>> accuse them.  And while you might publicly state they aren't helping and
>>>> are free loaders, the truth and reality is quite different.  However, spend
>>>> enough time and energy publicly criticising them and there is a real risk
>>>> you'll discover how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less or
>>>> nothing for you in the future.  Google RAF Croughton and see not only how
>>>> important that is to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road
>>>> accident that made everything connected to that site unpopular.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Daniel S
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> “Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet,” he
>>>> said. “Try to make sense of what you see and about what makes the
>>>> universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is
>>>> always something you can do, and succeed at. It matters that you don’t just
>>>> give up.”
>>>> ~Stephen Hawking
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